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'Never has one goblet contained you': Leo Doc reviews wines 'Never has one goblet contained you': Leo Doc reviews wines

02-20-2014 , 12:40 PM
In this instantly epic thread, the most interesting man in poker, Leo Doc, will be reviewing some wines on a weekly basis, and will introduce us to the world of high-stakes wine-drinking. So stop licking that oak tree, grab a glass, and join the conversation.

Reviews summarized:

Torbreck RunRig 2009
http://rs1350.pbsrc.com/albums/p770/...43.jpg~320x480
$150
Taste:
Value:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...78&postcount=6
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Stevens BlackTongue 2010 Yakima Valley Syrah
http://rs1350.pbsrc.com/albums/p770/...b4.jpg~320x480
$35
Taste: 9.2/10
Value:
Wine Experience (WE): + 1/2
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...3&postcount=21
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Cune Rioja Imperial Gran Reserva, 2004
http://rs1350.pbsrc.com/albums/p770/...30.jpg~320x480
$125
Taste: 7.5/10
Value:
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...8&postcount=26
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Columbia Crest Reserve Columbia Valley Cabernet Sauvignon 2008
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...cee3e.jpg.html
$40
Taste: 8.4/10
Value:
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...2&postcount=51
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Valle Las Acequias Mendoza Cabernet Sauvignon 2007
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...a960b.jpg.html
$16
Taste: 8.5/10
Value:
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...5&postcount=76
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Scout’s Honor Napa Valley Red Wine 2010
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...3dcc7.jpg.html
$100
Taste: 9.7/10
Value: 4.5 (At retail of $40-50 a bottle, easy )
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...4&postcount=78
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Seven Deadly Zins 2011
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...2096e.jpg.html
$15
Taste: 8.8/10
Value:
WE: 3.5
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...3&postcount=95
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Educated Guess Cabernet Sauvignon 2011
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...06b1e.jpg.html
$17
Taste: 9.1/10
Value:
WE: +1/2
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=106
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Donum Carneros Pinot Noir 2009
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...15f35.jpg.html
Taste: 9.5/10
Value: + .99
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=120
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2011 Frog’s Leap Rutherford Napa Valley Merlot
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...e9474.jpg.html
Taste: 8.7/10
Value:
WE: + 1/2
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=140
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Antucura 2012 Malbec
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...e2840.jpg.html
Taste: 8.8/10
Value:
WE: + 1/2
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=142
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2010 Pride Merlot
http://s1238.photobucket.com/user/ca...C9335.jpg.html
Taste: 9.4/10

Value:

WE: + 1/2
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=155
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2008 Brujeria
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...d067e.jpg.html
$15
Taste: 9.2/10
Value: (super easy)
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=156
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2007 Torbreck Runrig
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...6e1ef.jpg.html
$350
Taste: 9.2/10
Value (for a restaurant):
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=168
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2007 Torbreck The Struie
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...7ee32.jpg.html
$106
Taste: 9.2/10
Value: + 1/2
WE: + 1/2
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=168
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2010 Forman Cabernet
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...ddb5a.jpg.html
$99
Taste: 9.6/10
Value: + .99
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=170
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2009 Saini Old Vine Zinfandel, Apple Block Vineyard
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...c5aff.jpg.html
$42
Taste: 9.3/10
Value: + 1/2
WE: + 3/4
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=175
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2009 Continuum
http://www.klwines.com/images/skus/1088277x.jpg
$150
Taste: 9.4/10
Value: + 1/2
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=185

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2006 Mollydooker Enchanted Path
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...a4c18.jpg.html
$100
Taste: 8.4/10
Value:
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=192
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The Prisoner
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...14008.jpg.html
$38
Taste: 9.2/10
Value: + 1/2
WE: + 1/2
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=194
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2013 19 Crimes
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...ae93e.jpg.html
$14
Taste: 8.9/10
Value:
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=196
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2013 Mollydooker "The Scooter" Merlot
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...1ea14.jpg.html
Taste: 9.3/10
Value: + 1/2
WE:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=215
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2013 Mollydooker "The Maitre D” Cabernet Sauvignon
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...32851.jpg.html
Taste: 8.9/10
Value:
WE: + 1/2
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=228
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2011 Mollydooker Velvet Glove:
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...23647.jpg.html
Taste: 9.7/10
Value: + 3/4
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=239
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2009 Mollydooker Velvet Glove:
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...c7325.jpg.html
$200
Taste: 9.6/10
Value ($200/bottle):
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=239
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2012 Rombauer Zinfandel
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...af83e.jpg.html
$33
Taste: at least 9.4/10, maybe 9.5/10
Value at $33 a bottle:
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=240
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2013 Mollydooker Two Left Feet
Taste: 9.0/10 (will likely improve)
Value: + 1/2
WE: +1/2
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=254
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2006 Clarendon Hills Astralis
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...40321.jpg.html
$225
Taste: 9.6/10
Value: + 1/2
WE: + 1/2
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=274
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2011 Turley Zinfandel
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...3dcba.jpg.html
Taste: 9.1/10
Value (restaurant price):
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=277
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2006 Elderston Command Single Vineyard Shiraz
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...4e2d6.jpg.html
$79
Taste: 8.0/10
Value: + 1/2
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=280
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The Calling, 2012 Russian River Valley Chardonnay
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...2fd68.jpg.html
$29
Taste: 9.3/10
Value:
WE: + 1/2
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=315
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William Hill North Coast Cabernet Sauvignon, 2012
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/le...3dd79.jpg.html
$15
Taste: 8.7/10
Value: gotta go 5 for the money
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=318
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2008 Chateau de Beaucastel, Chateauneuf du Pape
http://i.imgur.com/UnWkixW.jpg
$150
Taste: 9.3/10
Value ($150 restaurant price): + 1/2
WE: +1/2
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=336

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2001 Chateau Musar
http://i.imgur.com/P5lNIKZ.jpg
$65 (split)
Taste: 9.0/10
Value ($65 restaurant):
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=339
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2012 Francis Coppola Sonoma Coast Pinot Noir
http://i.imgur.com/TQPGZq9.jpg
$28
Taste: 8.8/10
Value (~$28 retail):
WE: + 1/2
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=343
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2011 Shafer Merlot
http://i.imgur.com/1t56hUX.jpg
$118
Taste: 8.8/10
Value ($118 restaurant price): + 1/2
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=361
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E, 2011 Spanish Blend
http://i0.wp.com/goodcheapvino.com/w...dphinneyE1.jpg
$20
Taste: 9.1/10
Value: easy 5
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=369
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2012 Mollydooker Carnival of Love
http://i.imgur.com/rDe3Ai9.jpg
Taste: 9.7/10
Value ($98/bottle):
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=384
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2012 La Vendimia, Rioja
http://i.imgur.com/DU5O9eZ.jpg
Taste: 8.9/10
Value (~$17/bottle): +1/2
WE: + 1/2
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=421
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2009 Torbreck Runrig
http://i.imgur.com/Xi2rQ1w.jpg
Taste: 9.2/10
Value at $158/bottle:
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=483
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2009 Torbreck Descendant
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=484
Taste: 8.8/10
Value at $65/bottle:
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=484
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2011 Southern Belle Precious Syrah
http://i.imgur.com/cClBqe2.jpg
Taste: 9.4/10
Value ($42/bottle):
WE: + 1/2
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=485
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2009 Black Tears Malbec
http://i.imgur.com/R99kdcV.jpg
Taste: 9.2/10
Value ($44):
WE (I enjoyed this the day after, too): + 1/2
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=508
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2001 Penfold's Bin 707 Cabernet Sauvignon
http://i.imgur.com/OJRblQ2.jpg

Taste: 9.4/10
Value ($127): +
WE:

The 1999:
Taste: 7.5/10
Value ($127):
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=519
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2012 Ravenswood Old Vine Vintner’s Blend Zinfandel
http://i.imgur.com/KQ3nHIy.jpg
Taste: 8.6/10
Value ($11): + 1/2
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=533
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2004 Mitolo G.A.M. Mclaren Vale Shiraz
http://i.imgur.com/6xcvvmS.jpg
Taste: 7.9/10
Value ($54 which includes case discount):
WE:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=540

Last edited by DougL; 05-25-2015 at 09:31 AM. Reason: thesilverbail summarized reviews up to 5/25/2015 with links
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02-20-2014 , 01:19 PM
Would this be more fun if people who could manage it get their hands on a bottle of the reviewed wine and have a drink-along?
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02-20-2014 , 02:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thesilverbail
In this instantly epic thread, the most interesting man in poker, Leo Doc, will be reviewing some wines on a weekly basis, and will introduce us to the world of high-stakes wine-drinking. So stop licking that oak tree, grab a glass, and join the conversation.
Reviewing the Oak Tree
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02-20-2014 , 10:18 PM
Robinson family vineyards cab 05
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02-21-2014 , 02:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by callipygian
Would this be more fun if people who could manage it get their hands on a bottle of the reviewed wine and have a drink-along?
Champion
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02-21-2014 , 08:30 PM
Let's start with the Torbreck.



I know, I know, I've already remarked on the wine in the LC thread. It's just that this bottle deserves more attention because it is a memorable and gargantuan wine. There is nothing subtle, hidden or mysterious about the contents of that bottle. It is what it is.

And what it is, is a testament to the winemaker's art. The nose is straightforward and the aromas are almost visible, like steam emanating from a freshly poured cup of coffee. The color was a black-purple and passed the leo doc "not-seeing-is-believing" test.

(What the hell's that doc?)

Here's your first visual clue that a red wine just might be good. Pour a glass and sit it on a white napkin in a normally lit room. Hold two or three fingers beneath the glass while looking thru the wine onto the napkin. If you can't count your fingers, you should start counting your blessings. (Don't worry if you can count them 'cause it doesn't mean the wine's not gonna be good.)

I took my first drink of the RunRig about ten minutes after de-corking it. I took the second swallow five minutes later when the initial drink was fading. This wine was bold and brilliant and complex and evolved on my palate. It wasn't just an experience in wine drinking, it was one of those, "Why am ordering food with this?" kind of nights. I'm tellin' y'all boys, that stuff was jammy, loaded with fruit and had a finish that just went on and on and on.

It's pricey at $150/bottle so maybe get four or five enophiles together and splurge.

Rating (1 to 5 ):

Taste:

Value:
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02-21-2014 , 08:37 PM
I need some feedback on how to make these reviews more informative or reader-friendly. E.g., want more background on the wine, more rating info, more tasting info?

I have three more ready to go but would like to hear from you fellas.
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02-21-2014 , 10:55 PM
Great review. I especially liked hearing about the "not-seeing is believing test"...what's the reason behind it? Also, what does it mean to say "nose is straightforward"?

I think this format is quite good, "Value" is relative to the price I assume? Also I guess you're also going to be reviewing some cheaper wines
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02-21-2014 , 11:10 PM
Leo, here is my feedback on your first review:

Style:
Description of wine:
Describing your drinking experience:
Made me want the reviewed wine:

If I win 2 funtix this weekend I'll see if I can get some and impress the wife.

I think this style is great. I agree with SilverBail's post.
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02-22-2014 , 12:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by leo doc
Let's start with the Torbreck.

It's pricey at $150/bottle so maybe get four or five enophiles together and splurge.
Next time someone mucks the winner at showdown I'll see if I can pick one up.

As far as format, I think your recommendation is the most valuable. I've bought a lot of bottles that were just terrible. I've bought a couple of your recommendations and I have enjoyed them. Other things that interest me would be pairing and "if you liked/didn't like x, then you will like/not like y."
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02-22-2014 , 02:20 AM
The runrig was the best wine I've ever had. I didn't know leo doc was pouring it at the time, but he poured me this undisclosed glass, I had it, and then was instantly like "I want some more."

Stuff I wouldn't mind hearing about are the history/background of the wines and then common attributes of the varietal vs. any differences in this particular bottle.

I'm drinking the '12 Boxer, enjoying the wine review, and watching Lynn Gilmartin on the WPT. What could be better?
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02-22-2014 , 09:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thesilverbail
I especially liked hearing about the "not-seeing is believing test"...what's the reason behind it? Also, what does it mean to say "nose is straightforward"?

I think this format is quite good, "Value" is relative to the price I assume? Also I guess you're also going to be reviewing some cheaper wines
Not being able to see your fingers usually indicates that the wine is concentrated, fruity, even jam-like.

A straightforward nose (at least in my vernacular) is one in which you're primarily smelling the grape, as opposed to other elements contained in the wine.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Ron
I'm drinking the '12 Boxer, enjoying the wine review, and watching Lynn Gilmartin on the WPT. What could be better?
Where's the wife?
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02-22-2014 , 02:06 PM
This thread will break me, especially since I found out I can get Leo's first recommendation delivered to the poker table while playing (which is my usual Saturday ritual).

That being said, I locke the thread and look forward to next review.
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02-22-2014 , 10:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon_locke
This thread will break me, especially since I found out I can get Leo's first recommendation delivered to the poker table while playing (which is my usual Saturday ritual).

That being said, I locke the thread and look forward to next review.
I'm pretty sure you could spend $500/week on wine and not notice.
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02-23-2014 , 12:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon_locke
I locke the thread
This needs to be your catch phrase, or undertitle, or something. Or what people say whenever you first enter a thread, like when Kramer enters Jerry's apartment and the crowd/laugh track goes nuts, or when Norm enters Cheers.

"Heyo! This thread is now Locked!"
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02-24-2014 , 12:17 AM
Couple of things:

I think I need to give my "tasting" scale some additional breath. I'm gonna expand that to a 1-10 scale. Overall "value", I think, can be left at the 1-5 scale.

But something's missing here and, while it's difficult to define, I think I'm gonna call it the "wine experience" (WE) scale. My intent would be to amalgamize the overall enjoyability of a wine.

I have a new review to post tomorrow and I'll give this a shot.

Also, when you guys try a reviewed wine, post your thoughts itt.
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02-24-2014 , 10:33 AM
Leo,

I think it needs a category rating the wine's ability to put a woman in different moods. If you happen to be so inclined, of course. I would go with the three most important words beginning with "S." Those being sweet, silly, and sexy, or some combination of the three.
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02-24-2014 , 04:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob148
Leo,

I think it needs a category rating the wine's ability to put a woman in different moods. If you happen to be so inclined, of course. I would go with the three most important words beginning with "S." Those being sweet, silly, and sexy, or some combination of the three.
Leo only has access to one woman and she is at least 2 of these at all times.
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02-24-2014 , 04:56 PM
doc, I think you should consider starting a wine thread in OOT or, (shudder), The Lounge.
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02-24-2014 , 05:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jesse8888
Leo only has access to one woman and she is at least 2 of these at all times.
Spoken by a man that knows the both of us.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Howard Beale
doc, I think you should consider starting a wine thread in OOT or, (shudder), The Lounge.
I actually made an offer to start one in The Lounge and the mod suggested I blend it into an existing thread. I thought about it, then reconsidered since I like drinking wine with my friends and I didn't have any there.

As far as starting one in OOT, I dunno. My one and only thread there didn't go so well. They're a pretty jaded bunch and would likely think I'm just being an officious prick 'cause I don't have anywhere near the cred you do in OOT land.
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02-24-2014 , 06:41 PM
Let's go here for our second review.





Obviously, this is a Syrah and it's made from the same grape that goes into the Mollydooker, "The Boxer." But the Yakima Valley isn't in Aussie-land so the two wines bear virtually no kinship, except in name only. Both wines do, however, uphold the reputation that Syrah is a grape to be reckoned with and is more than capable of standing alone (i.e., not blended as it once was).

The Black Tongue almost passed the "not-seeing-is-believing" test. As I mentioned earlier though, you shouldn't necessarily hold that against the wine. The nose is refined and blended and borders complex. Some reviewers have attributed a bit of a smoky aroma, but I didn't find/detect it. (No surprise there.) What I found was grape and something of a floral, plum-like aroma. It also developed over time (about 30 minutes) and I enjoyed it very much.

On the palate: Intense, but medium bodied which I found to be somewhat anachronistic but in a pleasant sort of way. The initial blackberry and plum fruit yields seamlessly to supple tannins and some other phenols/esters that Calli will have to ID for me. The finish was long and satisfying.

At $35 a bottle, here's what I think:

Taste: 9.2/10

Value:

Wine Experience (WE): + 1/2

Highly recommended.
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02-24-2014 , 11:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by leo doc
As far as starting one in OOT, I dunno. My one and only thread there didn't go so well. They're a pretty jaded bunch and would likely think I'm just being an officious prick 'cause I don't have anywhere near the cred you do in OOT land.
Eh, maybe. There's a 'Cooking a good steak' thread in OOT that is a smash hit so I thought a wine thread by someone who actually knows his stuff might be the same.
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02-25-2014 , 12:36 PM
I love wines with friends right here.

May have to find that Stevens Black Tongue. Intense sounds good.
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02-26-2014 , 12:43 AM
You probably know more about wine than anyone I've ever known and could probably get paid for this. That's how I figured out you are made of money
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02-26-2014 , 09:36 PM
Can't find black tongue anywhere
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