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Old 04-12-2012, 01:41 PM   #16
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Not good with the labels. Sorry.
Not an issue with labels, more with your read on this player. You've given her a very tight, narrow range, and assumed that her agression means she has a monster. But people with narrow ranges don't limp with K9o from EP, and she had a monster that time and played it extremely passively until she could k/r the table in such a way as to win the minimum. She announced that she also thinks you are crazy. I don't think she has to have a monster here. So in short, in this case, yes I think you were too MUBSY.
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Old 04-12-2012, 02:56 PM   #17
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Re: MUBSY?

The bad news is that, for the first-ever time at the Commerce, her 4bet was not for a free card. The good news is that you have TPTK and the turn card is not especially bad for your hand. Given that she's mostly pretty straightforward (she sounds more LP than TAG, honestly) I would not put in any more action UI, but I would definitely get to showdown.
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Old 04-12-2012, 03:06 PM   #18
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I wasn't 'til I got 4b. I 3b for value and to freeze the draws. Against most villains I'd call then donk the turn.
How is it for value when you said her range was mostly two pairs or better after the first raise?. Flush draws with a K are even money against you.

Also, her turn bet isn't a donk. You already checked.
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Old 04-12-2012, 04:02 PM   #19
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How is it for value when you said her range was mostly two pairs or better after the first raise?. Flush draws with a K are even money against you.

Also, her turn bet isn't a donk. You already checked.
I said I would donk. I know she has initiative and isn't donking.
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Old 04-12-2012, 05:26 PM   #20
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I said I would donk. I know she has initiative and isn't donking.
My bad, misread the sentence. So going back to the hand, why 3b given the range you gave her?
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Old 04-13-2012, 01:25 PM   #21
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My bad, misread the sentence. So going back to the hand, why 3b given the range you gave her?
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I'm not sure if my brain functions the same way as most people. But as the hand goes on, I mainly try to think about what they can't have, not what they possibly have. When I'm on the table, I'm the table captain. I'm usually dictating the action and only times I get a million bets shoveled into the pot when I'm the aggressor, it's usually (a) they have me demolished (b) they have a ridiculous draw. OTF, I thought she had a mega draw, so I b/3b. I didn't think she had a big enough brain/gamble/moxie/whatever to 4bet with k6dd. I called the flop and when she didn't take the "free" turn. I took it that I was completely crushed. I show the guy to my right AQo and muck. She tabled k6dd.

Usually, in these spots, when I'm calling down I'm completely smashed. Especially against the villain I described. Go figure that she knows how to play her second nut draw like a maniac. NH aZn lady, you won that hand.
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:37 PM   #22
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I play this hand two separate ways vs said vil depending on game conditions and my image.

1) is same pf. CB OTF And when she raises I'd call down.
2) I'd flat pf. And call down (possibly folding to a K if it pops up).

Based off your image and conditions I'd prob take it the second way.
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:35 PM   #23
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Not an issue with labels, more with your read on this player. You've given her a very tight, narrow range, and assumed that her agression means she has a monster. But people with narrow ranges don't limp with K9o from EP, and she had a monster that time and played it extremely passively until she could k/r the table in such a way as to win the minimum. She announced that she also thinks you are crazy. I don't think she has to have a monster here. So in short, in this case, yes I think you were too MUBSY.
She probably has a narrow range when it comes to PF raising, and limps in with too much junk. In other words it sounds like a loose-passive player.
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Old 05-14-2012, 10:06 PM   #24
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Why would you call the 4! otf, then just c/f a complete brick ott? In a game where ~ 2BB/hr is max attainable, that's a pretty large mistake. You literally soaked a big bet in gas and lit it on fire. I mean, did u think she was gonna check through the turn with you? Never happens here.
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Why would you call the 4! otf, then just c/f a complete brick ott? In a game where ~ 2BB/hr is max attainable, that's a pretty large mistake. You literally soaked a big bet in gas and lit it on fire. I mean, did u think she was gonna check through the turn with you? Never happens here.
So, call down to the raise?
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Old 05-15-2012, 12:56 AM   #26
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So, with my image, folding TPTK HU is absolutely horrendous?
i wouldn't go so far as to say it's "absolutely horrendous", but i wouldn't make a habit of it.

based on your observation of how she played the K9o hand it seems like she would slowplay a big hand here and maybe wait for the turn. perhaps she noticed that you folded when she put in a lot of action in the K9o hand and she's using that knowledge to try to get you to fold better now. it's unlikely, but it's not outside the realm of possibility.

either way, i would not be folding the turn or the river in this spot.
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Old 05-15-2012, 10:24 AM   #27
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save the folding of TPTK for when you're playing nl.
Yeah, don't do this either.
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:44 PM   #28
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So, call down to the raise?

Well, facing her 4! is the point in the hand where you either need to decide to flat and c/c down or just fold to the 4! originally imo. Flatting the 4! then c/f a complete brick is literally just throwing a bet out the window.
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:44 PM   #29
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Her 4 bet on the flop turns your hand into a bluffcatcher in a bloated pot where you are probably getting good enough odds to call down. I see a lot of possible draws in her range and I expect her to bet a lot of them on the turn so I call down from there. On scary turns I might find a fold if I think she's tight enough, but if that's the case I wouldn't 3 bet preflop or 3 bet the flop because I like to showdown. I like to think about how many turns and rivers will be scary and decide based on that whether or not I should turn my hand into a bluffcatcher by going for more value. If I'm scared of a lot of cards I'll be less likely to go for that extra flop bet, since her bluffing range shrinks so much on average when there's a lot of scare cards coming.
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