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04-12-2012, 06:58 AM
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MUBSY?
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Hero is in BB with AQo(black) MP is tight-ish asian lady, who's talking about how crazy Hero is. I'd go along the lines saying she's TAGfish-ish. She opens MP and folds around to sb who calls. Hero 3!, call, call
Flop: q-j-xdd
Hero bet, MP raise, sb fold, hero 3!, MP 4 Hero call.
Turn: Blank
Hero ck, MP bet, hero fold.
I've been getting into weird spots where I don't know when I should call down, or when I should fold. FWIW, whenever my spidey senses start tingling, I go on a feel sort of thing. Anyone care to help me out with when I should get into call down mode?
Her range is 88+, maybe ak, maybe aq.
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04-12-2012, 07:04 AM
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What's her pf range and flop raising range?. I'm quite conerned you've made no mention of it specifically to the flop raise and then the cap.
Talk to your doctor about the tingling, don't let it make decisions over your brain.
Why are you 3 betting a hand pf oop that is behind her whole pf raising range?
Last edited by Chasqui; 04-12-2012 at 07:13 AM.
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04-12-2012, 07:18 AM
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Re: MUBSY?
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Originally Posted by Chasqui
What's her pf range and flop raising range?. I'm quite conerned you've made no mention of it specifically to the flop raise and then the cap.
Talk to your doctor about the tingling, don't let it make decisions over your brain.
Why are you 3 betting a hand pf oop that is behind her whole pf raising range?
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That's the thing, TAGfish usually cap KK-AA PF, so most likely not that.
OTF, I'm guessing qj, jj, qq and some draws.
The one hand I saw her play, she limped UTG with k9o and I raised on the btn and the flop came k-9-x two diamonds and it checked around to the turn.
turn: k
ck around to me, on the btn, and I bet and she k/r and I tank fold then she tabled k9
This may or may not sound kinda retarded, but I'm not too good at putting my thought process of a hand in progress as it's happening. Things just click and seem right at the time.
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04-12-2012, 07:50 AM
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Re: MUBSY?
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Originally Posted by wbatas
MP is tight-ish asian lady, who's talking about how crazy Hero is.
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shes going to try and out crazy u this hand with JTs imo lol
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04-12-2012, 07:50 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wbatas
This may or may not sound kinda retarded, but I'm not too good at putting my thought process of a hand in progress as it's happening. Things just click and seem right at the time.
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Are you saying you don't think about concrete specific things while in a hand?. That'll make for some terrible poker. Granted, some things will become 2nd nature but that's after you've thought about them many times.
Some preflop specifics: how many limped before me, how far from the button am I?, how does my hand play multiway?, should I raise the field for value?, should I try to isolate the bad limper this early?, what's the pf raiser's range?, is he positionally aware?, does a 3 bettor know I'm opening lighter in LP?, what's the bottom of my opening range for this position when folded to me?, do I want to 3bet this nit from the BB with this hand?, etc.
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04-12-2012, 08:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wbatas
That's the thing, TAGfish usually cap KK-AA PF, so most likely not that.
OTF, I'm guessing qj, jj, qq and some draws.
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Assuming you are referring to monster draws you are then between even money and totally crushed with 3 outs at best when she raised the flop, so why 3bet?. Against such a strong range you want to get to showdown as cheap as possible (if it even makes sense seeing the river but the pot is bloated now)
Also, 3betting preflop oop when you are behind every single hand in her raising range is similarly a bad idea (in the op you said 88+ AQ+)
Last edited by Chasqui; 04-12-2012 at 08:14 AM.
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04-12-2012, 08:25 AM
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Re: MUBSY?
Don't 3-bet the flop if you're that worried about villain's range after she raises your lead and sb is already out. If she thinks you're crazy and she might be playing a weaker hand than normal against you, let her continue betting and get to sd.
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04-12-2012, 10:00 AM
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Re: MUBSY?
She thinks you're crazy, and you respond by folding TPTK in a relatively large pot?
Something just doesn't compute. I definitely call down here. As Leo said, if you're that terrified of her range, why 3-bet the flop?
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04-12-2012, 11:09 AM
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Re: MUBSY?
i would also call down. save the folding of TPTK for when you're playing nl.
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04-12-2012, 11:18 AM
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Re: MUBSY?
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Originally Posted by wbatas
MP is tight-ish asian lady, who's talking about how crazy Hero is. I'd go along the lines saying she's TAGfish-ish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wbatas
The one hand I saw her play, she limped UTG with k9o and I raised on the btn and the flop came k-9-x two diamonds and it checked around to the turn.
turn: k
ck around to me, on the btn, and I bet and she k/r and I tank fold then she tabled k9
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wbatas
Her range is 88+, maybe ak, maybe aq.
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I think you need to adjust your read on this player. The K9o hand doesn't fit with being a TAGfish. That seems way too passive with a weaker hand that hit the jackpot. And the range you gave in the OP seems way too narrow to me. People with that kind of nitty range don't limp in with K9o up front.
Given her impression of you as a crazy person, I would just let her keep betting into you and call down from her flop raise.
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04-12-2012, 01:18 PM
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Re: MUBSY?
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Originally Posted by Chasqui
Are you saying you don't think about concrete specific things while in a hand?. That'll make for some terrible poker. Granted, some things will become 2nd nature but that's after you've thought about them many times.
Some preflop specifics: how many limped before me, how far from the button am I?, how does my hand play multiway?, should I raise the field for value?, should I try to isolate the bad limper this early?, what's the pf raiser's range?, is he positionally aware?, does a 3 bettor know I'm opening lighter in LP?, what's the bottom of my opening range for this position when folded to me?, do I want to 3bet this nit from the BB with this hand?, etc.
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I do think about all those things. Like I said, I'm not good at putting my thoughts into words.
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04-12-2012, 01:20 PM
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Re: MUBSY?
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Originally Posted by leo doc
Don't 3-bet the flop if you're that worried about villain's range after she raises your lead and sb is already out. If she thinks you're crazy and she might be playing a weaker hand than normal against you, let her continue betting and get to sd.
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I 3bet because I figured I was ahead at the time. When she 4bet I got scurred.
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04-12-2012, 01:22 PM
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Re: MUBSY?
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Originally Posted by Grease
She thinks you're crazy, and you respond by folding TPTK in a relatively large pot?
Something just doesn't compute. I definitely call down here. As Leo said, if you're that terrified of her range, why 3-bet the flop?
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I wasn't 'til I got 4b. I 3b for value and to freeze the draws. Against most villains I'd call then donk the turn.
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04-12-2012, 01:23 PM
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Re: MUBSY?
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Originally Posted by Zeke Ferrari
I think you need to adjust your read on this player. The K9o hand doesn't fit with being a TAGfish. That seems way too passive with a weaker hand that hit the jackpot. And the range you gave in the OP seems way too narrow to me. People with that kind of nitty range don't limp in with K9o up front.
Given her impression of you as a crazy person, I would just let her keep betting into you and call down from her flop raise.
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Not good with the labels. Sorry.
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04-12-2012, 01:24 PM
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Re: MUBSY?
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Originally Posted by rodeo
i would also call down. save the folding of TPTK for when you're playing nl.
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So, with my image, folding TPTK HU is absolutely horrendous?
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