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08-01-2015 , 06:22 PM
Somewhat limited experience in these game types, although still a lot.

Live 20-40. Crazy game, most people either stuck a bunch and playing absurd or up a bunch and playing absurd. UTG is an expert and cutoff didn't seem to awful based on 30 min of play but likely is.

UTG opens, +1 3 bets, random hand caps, another random hand calls 4 cold, button takes 4 to the face and I call with Black TT in the bb.

Flip is like 9s 3s 4d. UTG+1 bets, 2 folds and cutoff raises, I call 2 cold(?), UTG and UTG+1 both call.

Turn is 2s, cutoff bets, I call, UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, cutoff calls and I fold....
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08-01-2015 , 06:47 PM
What was CO's preflop action?
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08-01-2015 , 07:22 PM
he called 4 cold, 4 bet cap. also despite my title please no references to that TV show
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08-01-2015 , 08:09 PM
CO is calling all sorts of crap here with 4 people in the pot ahead of him, and we're ahead of his range on the flop. UTG+1's donk is disconcerting (and WTF did the capper fold for one bet??) but I would 3-bet the flop and not be committed to showdown even on a favorable runout.
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08-02-2015 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
he called 4 cold, 4 bet cap. also despite my title please no references to that TV show
Never give up. Never surrender
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08-02-2015 , 09:59 AM
I'd 3 bet the flop and expect to lose the majority of the time to a turned or rivered two pair.
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08-02-2015 , 02:48 PM
I don't see any reason to escalate things on the flop especially if UTG+1 is reasonable. I would just call

I would call the turn ending the betting in a massive pot. I would tread cautiously any river improvement.
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08-02-2015 , 04:32 PM
Flop play is fine but imo you need to raise the turn with a safe card like a 2.

There is a lot of overcard you want to fold on the turn and they seem way too laggy to be scarded of AA or KK.
Never fold overpair imo , especially in huge pot unless vs a nit .

I would maybe be in favor of your fold on the turn if you wouldnt of underepped your hand on the flop, but since you did , i cant see a fold with the read you gave.

Its like playing a weak hand passively to induce a bluff.
If you fold after than it goes vs the strategy you aimed at in the first place.

Last edited by Montrealcorp; 08-02-2015 at 04:41 PM.
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08-02-2015 , 10:03 PM
I would raise flop. As played don't fold turn.

On flop there is outside chance u can fold out an AKQ or J from expert. You own yourself when crushed and lots of bad players make this play in much smaller pots with pf action that makes this play bad. This is the situation I believe to "overplay" TT. I may b a bit biased tho cuz I failed to make such a play like two weeks ago when my middleish overpair (coulda been TT) would've won unimproved but instead lost to A10. I really do think you have to thin the field wherever possible, lose at showdown to AA and just shrug and move to next hand.

As for turn fold, I just can't bring myself to do it with all this mayhem even tho I realize how likely it is my spade no good. My thought process would basically b, "my spade might b good, I might have best hand, I might have counterfeit outs lol, I might river a set, I'm just gonna grit my teeth and lose.
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08-02-2015 , 10:53 PM
What do you guys think UTG+1 has here when he 3 bets expert donks flop into 5 people and cr the spade turn 4 ways?
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08-03-2015 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
What do you guys think UTG+1 has here when he 3 bets expert
No reads on UTG+1 were given but I expect wider than he ought to. Like 88 and AQo are probably in there even though they shouldn't be.

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donks flop into 5 people
88+ AsJs+ KsQs, but I think depending on what he thinks of the capper we may behead that to QQ-TT and flush draws, and 88 may be optimistic.

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and cr the spade turn 4 ways?
As played 99+ spades so I would definitely fold the second time around if I didn't fold the first time around.

But this is why figuring it out on the flop is so important IMO.

Last edited by callipygian; 08-03-2015 at 12:46 AM.
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08-03-2015 , 01:10 AM
I think your getting 22-1 so I'm calling. Sometimes, rarely, your hands good. Sometimes, rarely, your draw is good. Your set draw is live a good amount. I mean none of these are great but this is a gigantic pot and it's time to get optimistic. I think they play up to this point is fine but I'd throw another 40$ on fire and see what develops on the river.
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08-03-2015 , 03:10 AM
Don't know. I'm lost.
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08-03-2015 , 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
What do you guys think UTG+1 has here when he 3 bets expert donks flop into 5 people and cr the spade turn 4 ways?
You said "absurd" a lot in op.
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08-04-2015 , 01:16 AM
don't you want to see if you make your flush?
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08-05-2015 , 07:53 PM
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What do you guys think UTG+1 has here when he 3 bets expert donks flop into 5 people and cr the spade turn 4 ways?
You beat.
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