And I think you need to re-read the HH.

Hero didn't "donk out" the turn. It was checked to him and he bet. He was c/r'ed and he correctly called. After that action, the river would be a trivial fold had he not improved.

I think you played it well.

nh, imo.

IMO he donk'd out when should of been a check on the turn, yes he correctly called, who wouldnt, but I dont think he folds UI, you call a raise on the turn to fold UI on the river after drawing so thin anyways?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you don't understand what a donk bet is. You're wrong, however, about the correctness of hero checking the turn (it's clearly a mistake) and even more wrong that he wouldn't fold the river ui after calling the c/r.

Welcome to the forum. We're here to help.

A donk bet is someone who acts first into a field of people with what is probably not the ideal hand, hence donking out. I would love to know why you would bet the turn here? Because he checked and you must have the best hand? And why yes the obv play is to fold the river UI but why call the turn to fold the river except to catch a miracle? I find it funny you find some kind of entitlement having posted 9000+ means you must be good or something? I would gladly love to come play where ever it is you play supposidly.

its a 3/6 game he calls the river no matter what comes!

The turn was checked to hero in a large pot and he has a vulnerable hand. Not betting is an error.

Well, eight outs against JJ and ten outs against every overpair does not constitute a miracle, imo. (Hero is getting 11:1 to call the c/r.)

I make no claim to being "good or something" by virtue of my post count. I do, however, travel a bit for my pokering and would be delighted for you to join my game.

Be careful though, grasshopper. Don't let this discourse get personal.

I'll let the OP respond to that.

I never disagreed with calling the c/r. But your calling hoping to get lucky (it may be 11:1 which 99.9% of people dont have figured out in the middle of the hand), but less then 20% of the time you are going to hit your 5 or 10. Do you always fold OTR to a raise UI thinking that villan must have something because he c/r'd the turn?

It's very simple: (a) that's not a donk bet as you can easily donk the nuts (b) Leo is right about the hand.

If you're part of that 99.9%, I submit that you've got some work to do on your game. You're also overlooking the other two 9s as outs against everything except JJ.

OK, I'll bite.

No, I don't always fold the river ui after a turn c/r; but, I would in this hand. Villain capped pf, bet the flop and then c/r'ed two opponents ott. He then bets the river. There is nothing in the OP to suggest he's a maniac. What hands would he do this with that 99 ui beats?

As to our OP calling the river ui "no matter what comes", I think you're wrong.

And finally, a donk bet is one that is made oop and out of the betting lead. It has nothing to do with the quality, or lack thereof, of the donker's hand. As such, it is not possible for hero to donk the turn in this hand.

just to reiterate, a donk bet is when an oop player bets into the previous streets aggressor. for example i raise the btn and you defend your bb. the flop comes and you bet right out into me.

the great thing about your donk bet for me is that i get to choose whether or not to put more money in now or on the turn when you bet again. also, i can fold right away and let you win a tiny pot with a hand i likely had no shot of winning with, but would've put in a bet on the flop.

Villain raises, folds to MP1 (LP) who calls, Hero 3!, folds to Villain who caps, both call

Flop (3 players, 13 SB): 78Jr

Villain bets, LP calls, Hero calls

turn: 6d check check ?

how often do you really have the best hand here?

will you have the best hand by the showdown?

will this semi bluff will work against this field?

what are relative value of your improvements ?

giving up a modicum of expectancy those times you are ahead, it will be made up for in spades against the aggressor and the limpet those times you actually make a good hand. or get to showdown your mediocre hand for 1 (value) or zero bets?

free card please!

heck it might even make them a better but second best hand.
nom nom nom !!

I don't understand our preflop 3-bet. Do we think 99 has more than its fair share against a UTG raiser (I estimated 88+,AQ+,KxQx,AxJx,AxTx) and a loose cold caller (I estimated 30%.)? Why?

versus both villains turn checking range we should have the best hand a large percentage of the time. the information that we have when it's our turn to act on the turn is that one villain 1 open raised, villain 2 cold called, we 3bet, v1 capped, v2 called, and we called. the flop came Jhi w/ a straight draw. v1 bet, v2 called, and we called. the turn is a 6 w/ a flush draw. both villains check to us. why wouldn't we think we have the best hand here? we don't know that v1 is going to get tricky and k/r. so we bet for value and to protect this bloated pot for ourselves.
i would estimate that versus both villains turn checking range we will have the best hand on the river around 38% of the time.
it's not a semi-bluff. against the villains turn checking range we are betting for value and to protect against v1's overcard draw, and v2's straight draw, recently acquired flush draw, or overcard draw.
as far as we know, we don't need to improve. we're betting because we think we have the best hand and if both villains just call, then we're looking to fade a few river cards.
giving a free card here is giving up too much equity in a spot where it's relatively likely we could be outdrawn. that seems like a bad idea to me.

i think those of you who are advocating checking back the turn may be influenced by the results, i.e. the fact that villain 1 k/r'ed the turn. the turn is a clear bet imo.