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Old 08-24-2012, 09:04 AM   #1
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Live 3/6 - yaayyyy another 99 hand!

Villain is a grungy-looking white guy in his 40s or 50s. Not much of a read other than he's raised some pf but I haven't seen him get crazy post or show down anything indicating he's a spaz.

Villain is UTG. Hero is in MP2 with 99.

Villain raises, folds to MP1 (LP) who calls, Hero 3!, folds to Villain who caps, both call

Flop (3 players, 13 SB): 78J

Villain bets, LP calls, Hero calls

Turn (3 players, 8 BB): 6

Villain checks, LP checks, Hero bets, Villain raises, LP folds, Hero calls

River (2 players, 12 BB): 5

Villain bets, Hero raises, Villain calls



Pre, turn, and river seem fine. Raise flop?
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Old 08-24-2012, 09:22 AM   #2
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Re: Live 3/6 - yaayyyy another 99 hand!

I only 3 bet preflop if I know the guy likes to donk. I probably coldcall depending on the number of players behind me.

I call the flop. I check the turn next time, but I don't mind your bet.
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Old 08-24-2012, 09:39 AM   #3
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Re: Live 3/6 - yaayyyy another 99 hand!

Postflop looks good to me. I don't raise the flop here. I am sure there is some value in it, as you will have the best hand a bit here....but considering the preflop cap (skewing his range to the strong side), your gutshot (you are seeing the river here most likely), and your position (closing the action, unable to do much to protect your fairly vulnerable hand when best), I would probably pass on the raise and see what the turn card and action bring.

Turn is a must bet.
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:00 PM   #4
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Re: Live 3/6 - yaayyyy another 99 hand!

I like it. What other hands are you playing this way OTT (What are you B/C'ing instead of B/3!'ing here?)
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:01 PM   #5
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Re: Live 3/6 - yaayyyy another 99 hand!

I can go either way preflop depending on the what I view as UTG's range and the players left to act behind me.

Postflop is well played.
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Old 08-24-2012, 02:29 PM   #6
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Re: Live 3/6 - yaayyyy another 99 hand!

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I like it. What other hands are you playing this way OTT (What are you B/C'ing instead of B/3!'ing here?)
Fun! I haven't done much mapping out my own ranges. So ...

2p+ I'm not flatting the flop. Though in this specific hand, I never have exactly 2p here (not 3! 87, J7, or J8). I'm not 3! T9. And I don't think I 3! 77 or 88 either. (Too nitty against an unknown UTG raise?) I could cc T9s, 77, or 88 depending on who's behind me, if I think some more calls are coming.

So basically if I raise the flop I have JJ+ or AJs (prob the weakest non-pair hand in my 3! v. an unknown UTG raise). By just calling I have TT, 99, AQ+.

On the turn, I'm b/c TT and 99 when checked to. Also b/c AK and AQ. Not sure about any other AK or AQ. If he checks the turn, to me that smells an awful lot like AK, maybe AQs. JJ+ would prob bet turn, right? Maybe he capped TT pre? So maybe betting all AK or AQ would be good? Is there non-negligible fold equity there?

I guess that's it. Damn is that way too narrow under the circumstances?
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Old 08-25-2012, 02:57 AM   #7
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Check the turn. Its not like we're wildly ahead here.
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Old 08-25-2012, 08:19 AM   #8
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Re: Live 3/6 - yaayyyy another 99 hand!

I think you played it fine.

What I find more interesting is the way your villain played this 3/6 hand. He's certainly repping an overpair (or JJ) and, if so, he got FPS on the turn.

His b/c otr is either MUBSy or genius because the only hand you should have for him to do that with is precisely the one you do. I guess my question is, does this opponent think you're capable of 3-betting 99 pf after an UTG open in a 3/6 game.
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Re: Live 3/6 - yaayyyy another 99 hand!

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If he checks the turn, to me that smells an awful lot like AK, maybe AQs. JJ+ would prob bet turn, right? Maybe he capped TT pre? So maybe betting all AK or AQ would be good? Is there non-negligible fold equity there?
After he c/r's the turn, I think you can eliminate his non-paired hands. And he really should 3-bet/fold JJ+ otr because the only hand that beats him when the 5 comes is 99.
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Re: Live 3/6 - yaayyyy another 99 hand!

The 3! pre-flop is questionable. Post flop play is awesome.
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Old 08-25-2012, 01:22 PM   #11
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Re: Live 3/6 - yaayyyy another 99 hand!

Strictly online player here, so take that fwiw.......

Online, I think this looks pretty standard and I play it exactly the same. But I find that what I think is "online-standard" doesn't always apply to live.

There was another recent thread here in SSLHE that I was about to respond to, but found my opinion of the UTG+1 range of a supposedly decent/competent player was much wider than the general consensus here. People were speculating an UTG+1 range of basically like TT+, AJ+ (maybe some 88-99 and KQs).

Which has me wondering about pf here. Are we putting this guy on a similar 99/TT+, AJ+ range for UTG? And if so, isn't our 99 kinda puny, especially multiway?
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Old 08-25-2012, 01:38 PM   #12
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isn't our 99 kinda puny, especially multiway?
Yes, but a lot of live players will donk, allowing us to know when we have the best hand on the flop. I think the pot being multiway actually helps 99 here a bit because the pot is protected, allowing us to hand read better.
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Re: Live 3/6 - yaayyyy another 99 hand!

w/ underpair 2 opps and a non nut 1 card straight draw I take the free card on the turn.
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Old 08-25-2012, 06:56 PM   #14
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Re: Live 3/6 - yaayyyy another 99 hand!

no riase OTF I think you were way behind til the river! I check the turn, you got lucky and got stuck on the turn with your donk out and villan raises and how can you not call. I think you think the hand played out great because you won and you look good for playing the hand like you did...what do you do if the river isnt a 5 or a T?
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Re: Live 3/6 - yaayyyy another 99 hand!

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Check the turn. Its not like we're wildly ahead here.
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w/ underpair 2 opps and a non nut 1 card straight draw I take the free card on the turn.
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I check the turn,
The turn has been checked to hero and, as such, he has reason to think he may have the best hand. If he does and he checks, he's the one giving the free card, not taking it.
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