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Old 08-02-2012, 10:42 AM   #1
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Live 3/6 - line check w/ top two facing heavy action

V1 (UTG) is unknown but appears to play generally TP pre but LAG post. For example in a recent hand he limped AK then k/r flop with overs and a BDFD.

V2 (bb) is unknown but appears to play generally LP both pre and post.

Hero is UTG+2 with JT.

V1 calls, fold, Hero calls, two folds, two calls, fold, sb completes, V2 raises, V1 3!, Hero calls, one fold, rest call

Flop (5 players, 16 SB): JT6

V2 bets, V1 calls, Hero raises, fold, call, V2 3!, V1 caps!, Hero calls, fold, V2 calls

Turn (3 players, 15 BB): 7

V2 bets, V1 raises, Hero calls, V2 calls

River (3 players, 21 BB): 2

V2 checks, V1 checks, Hero bets ...


My two biggest questions are the turn and river. I didn't see V2 raising his blind pre with 66 or 77. Once he 3! flop my best guess at his range was TT+ which I was ahead of (only 1 combo each of TT and JJ, versus 6 each of QQ, KK, AA).

V1 limp/3! pre and went off on the flop. I also figured him for TT+ with some big As thrown in. Say AK and AQ. Maybe KQs. Even if you throw in 77, 66, or 89, we're still ahead of that range. But on the turn, after he caps the flop and raises the turn, his naked overs are pretty much gone.

I feel like I have too much hand to fold with top two, many more combos of overpairs out there than sets, and the only made draw is an unlikely 89. 3! feels spewy at this point though.

On the river, when they both check, it really smells like overpairs. I figure if V2 had JJ or TT he prob would have 3! turn or bet river. V1 would have bet river with those hands too. Spew?

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Old 08-02-2012, 05:32 PM   #2
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Re: Live 3/6 - line check w/ top two facing heavy action

I raise PF. That said, on the turn, I think you are way ahead of their likely ranges and should 3-bet.

And to be honest, I don't think it's close. Given the PF action, you are behind 2 combos and ahead of all the AA-QQ combos.

River bet is super standard. Checking there would be absurd.
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Old 08-02-2012, 07:33 PM   #3
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I raise PF. That said, on the turn, I think you are way ahead of their likely ranges and should 3-bet.

And to be honest, I don't think it's close. Given the PF action, you are behind 2 combos and ahead of all the AA-QQ combos.

River bet is super standard. Checking there would be absurd.
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Raise pre, as played 3b turn, as played bet river.
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:21 AM   #4
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Re: Live 3/6 - line check w/ top two facing heavy action

i don't think it matters that much whether or not you raise pre or limp along at 3/6 with JTs in early position. either is probably fine.

like you've said in your analysis, there are many more combos of over pairs in their ranges than sets. vs. their range you should be thinking about shoveling money in the pot and not really ever thinking about folding on this board.

you have to remember that these people cannot hand read. they see a big pair in the hole and a board with under cards and go nuts. this is something you have to factor in to your decision making. since it's unlikely that these players have a set, top two pair is going to be a strong hand and you should be putting in bets at every opportunity.

i agree with others that you should 3bet the turn. as played betting the river is mandatory.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:31 PM   #5
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Re: Live 3/6 - line check w/ top two facing heavy action

About raising pre, in early position I usually limp this hand to encourage multiway action. I will raise early in very loose games where several people will call two anyway. Or occasionally just to mix it up. I don't think balance is as important in 3/6 as it might be in higher stakes, though I do appreciate this is a good hand to raise early sometimes. In mid to late position I snap raise this pre.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:37 PM   #6
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you have to remember that these people cannot hand read. they see a big pair in the hole and a board with under cards and go nuts. this is something you have to factor in to your decision making. since it's unlikely that these players have a set, top two pair is going to be a strong hand and you should be putting in bets at every opportunity.

i agree with others that you should 3bet the turn. as played betting the river is mandatory.
Thanks to you and everyone else for the input. These decisions are harder at game speed, but I'm glad to be improving both at and away from the table. Good to know I got it right on the river.
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