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Old 08-10-2012, 01:37 PM   #1
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Live 3/6 - KQo in position pre facing raise

Villain is a middle-aged woman who opens from UTG+1. She overvalues PP but otherwise I'd say her pf raising range here is within reason. My best guess is 44+,ATs+,KTs+,AJo+,KJo+.

Folds to me in the HJ ... ?

I stove at 41% against that range, but if I 3! there's a good chance I'm looking at it HU having paid 3 bets of a ~6-bet pot after rake and tip.

Folding doesn't seem quite right, but neither does 3!, though I'm sure one of them is. The only option I don't like is calling.

If I 3! and she doesn't have a big PP she'll prob check the flop fwiw.
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Old 08-10-2012, 01:49 PM   #2
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Re: Live 3/6 - KQo in position pre facing raise

This is entirely opponent dependent. Obv, equity matters a ton (there are certain people I snap 3-bet or snap fold after and UTG+1 open.) Also, the more showdown bound they are with A high decreases your holdings as well. If they call your triple barrels frequently and take ATo to showdown a lot and realize a lot more of that hot and cold equity, then I would lean towards folding (and obv not triple barreling them.)

As long as you don't call and understand why you doing what you're doing, I don't think you can make a huge mistake.

Given it's 3/6, I would fold as her range is probably pretty strong here but it's your game so you would know best.
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Old 08-10-2012, 02:27 PM   #3
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Re: Live 3/6 - KQo in position pre facing raise

KQo is probably a fold here, IMO.
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Old 08-10-2012, 03:20 PM   #4
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Re: Live 3/6 - KQo in position pre facing raise

How good/bad does she play postflop? If the answer is bad, 3bet all day and exploit her postflop (aces are likely good bluff cards; if she's a showdown monkey, make your bets value-heavy).
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Old 08-11-2012, 06:10 AM   #5
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Re: Live 3/6 - KQo in position pre facing raise

i'd fold
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Old 08-11-2012, 11:58 AM   #6
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Re: Live 3/6 - KQo in position pre facing raise

Thanks all for the input. I think I'm leaning fold now also. Against this player I don't think I'm going to get a ton of action from her lower PP on higher boards, i.e. I don't see her paying off three streets a ton. Could definitely see a KT4 type flop going bet/raise/fold or bet/raise/call - check/bet/fold. And with her better holdings I'll often be dominated.
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Old 08-11-2012, 12:02 PM   #7
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Re: Live 3/6 - KQo in position pre facing raise

I like Grease's response to this situation.

Also, if its close should we be factoring in the massive 3/6 rake/drop in our decision?
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Old 08-11-2012, 01:56 PM   #8
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Re: Live 3/6 - KQo in position pre facing raise

I was in this situation last week. Tight EP raises and I have KQo in LP and I snap fold, feeling very good about my fold knowing I'm way behind his range. Ends up (results oriented thinking) I would have won the hand and villain had ATs, which was a wider range than I had anticipated. So I make a slight adjustment to villian's EP opening range and move on. And I'm still OK with the fold as I was behind preflop and that was the bottom of his range and he easily could have had something much stronger preflop.
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Old 08-11-2012, 06:16 PM   #9
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Re: Live 3/6 - KQo in position pre facing raise

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I'd say her pf raising range here is within reason. My best guess is 44+,ATs+,KTs+,AJo+,KJo+.
i would fold and not really think twice about it.

i think part of the reason you're even considering playing KQo here is that the range you've given this villain seems a bit too wide. i'm pretty laggy and you have hands in her range that i wouldn't open in most 3/6 games. unless your villain is positionally unaware, and doesn't really know what hands to raise or why she's raising them, KQo vs. an utg+1 raise is an easy fold.

i would rethink the range you've given her.
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Old 08-13-2012, 01:37 PM   #10
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Re: Live 3/6 - KQo in position pre facing raise

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i would rethink the range you've given her.
Thanks for the input. I'll try to pay more careful attention to her raises. She stopped playing for a while then recently reappeared, so I should get some chances to see.
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Old 08-13-2012, 09:21 PM   #11
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Re: Live 3/6 - KQo in position pre facing raise

I remember DD saying in a vid that if he has to fold KQ then he usually leaves because the game is too tuff or too nitty or both... Of course he was probably talking about (shorthanded) online games ... Probably doesn't apply here I just thought of that that's all lol.
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Old 08-13-2012, 09:44 PM   #12
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I remember DD saying in a vid that if he has to fold KQ then he usually leaves because the game is too tuff or too nitty or both... Of course he was probably talking about (shorthanded) online games ... Probably doesn't apply here I just thought of that that's all lol.
Are you sure he wasn't talking about opening with it?. I'm pretty sure KQ is a muck utg+1 to an utg raise in any 6+ game.
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Re: Live 3/6 - KQo in position pre facing raise

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I lean toward fold here, though it kinda depends on how SD-bound she's gonna be with the weaker parts of her range post-flop (also on what CO thru BB are like).
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Old 08-14-2012, 02:24 AM   #14
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Re: Live 3/6 - KQo in position pre facing raise

I would always fold in this spot.

If you 3 bet, pot will probably be 2 or 3 way, you will have position, but you are going to end up calling down with a second best hand here too much of the time IMHO.
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:03 AM   #15
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Re: Live 3/6 - KQo in position pre facing raise

fold. if your going to play 3 bet, I like the fold option better, grease has a great point!
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