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Old 01-31-2012, 09:24 PM   #1
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Live 3/6: Getting cold feet.

Morning 3/6 in St. Louis. Hero is mid 20s, hoodie and ballcap, noticeably regular, reasonably well known to both villains in this hand (V2 more than V1) and probably perceived as laggy to solid. The previous orbit, V1's 69ss > my AA, BB vs. BTN, in a three bet pot. I let off a little tilt steam (mucked with some frustration, walked to get some coffee) and haven't played a hand since.

V1 is about my age, African American, long dreads and a hat/jersey. He's wide - super wide. Limping any two suited or any two connected, raising probably most Aces, definitely all suited Aces, suited broadway, pocket pairs > 55, maybe an occasional T9s, 98s. He's running good, up maybe 10 bets.

V2 is mid 30s, white, pretty straight forward TAG. Definitely capable of trying to isolate and value betting/raising thin. Watched him somewhat previous open ATo in a five way or so limped pot. He's a little stuck, a little tilted.

V1 opens UTG and V2 3! the button. Hero has 99 in the small blind and 4! (5 bet cap), both call.

Flop: KKJ

Hero...

c/f? c/c? b/f? b/c?
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Old 01-31-2012, 09:29 PM   #2
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Re: Live 3/6: Getting cold feet.

fold preflop, as played bet/fold flop
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Old 01-31-2012, 10:56 PM   #3
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Re: Live 3/6: Getting cold feet.

I would bet all three streets if the broadway doesn't fill in and I don't get raised. If V2 raises, see you later. If V1 raises and V2 folds, see you at showdown (I'm making an assumption that his preflop lagginess translates into postflop lagginess).
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Old 01-31-2012, 10:58 PM   #4
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fold preflop
Really? Described villain sounds like he'd be iso raising a lot here. Folding sounds like the worst of our 3 options.
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Old 01-31-2012, 11:14 PM   #5
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Re: Live 3/6: Getting cold feet.

I would play pf the same.

I almost always cbet in 3! or more pots when I'm the pf aggressor. So that said I would cbet here and if I get raised I can find a fold. If they have JJ or QQ or A high they'd have a hard time raising much less continuing (although they always will).

That said if they both call I would cbet any nine card or below. Otherwise I would just c/f.
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Old 01-31-2012, 11:47 PM   #6
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Re: Live 3/6: Getting cold feet.

They'd have a hard time playing jacks full ? I don't see q/q folding too often in 3/6 either to be honest.

I would flat most times pre, although 12 isn't bad either. I would actually check this flop, and raise or snap bet the turn. Although like I said it's hard to see anyone folding worse even with kkj out there in a 3or 4 bet pot. I'd give them a chance to by repping the K.
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Old 02-01-2012, 03:47 PM   #7
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Re: Live 3/6: Getting cold feet.

fold pre. there are villains/dynamics where you can cap pre but this isn't one of them. i'd b/f flop too, although it's awfully close to a c/f.
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Old 02-01-2012, 10:27 PM   #8
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Re: Live 3/6: Getting cold feet.

This board actually hits a looser UTG range pretty darn hard as he's going to have all sorts of KTo, JT type of hands that most of us fold under normal conditions. Hard to imagine we're doing very well equity wise vs UTG alone, nevermind the taggy white guy who 3bet PF.
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Old 02-01-2012, 11:14 PM   #9
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Re: Live 3/6: Getting cold feet.

All of the above + your position really sucks 3-handed OOP against a lag and tag. Feelin like I get pwnd here too often
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Old 02-02-2012, 01:38 PM   #10
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Re: Live 3/6: Getting cold feet.

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fold pre.
This situation is way too close to be insta folding. If the 3!er is isoing with a minimum of all suited bwys A8s AT KJ QJ and 66+ then we are just about even money ... slightly below.

Obviously if his range is tighter than this yes we can fold, but I don't think it is given ops description of the situation.
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Old 02-02-2012, 02:27 PM   #11
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Re: Live 3/6: Getting cold feet.

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This situation is way too close to be insta folding. If the 3!er is isoing with a minimum of all suited bwys A8s AT KJ QJ and 66+ then we are just about even money ... slightly below.

Obviously if his range is tighter than this yes we can fold, but I don't think it is given ops description of the situation.
He 3bet a UTG raise in a full game, so I think this range is way too wide. The guy has to be both (a) totally positionally unaware and (b) playing totally raise-or-fold in this spot, and I don't think that both of these apply to very many players--and certainly not any in a live 3/6 game.
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:57 PM   #12
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Re: Live 3/6: Getting cold feet.

V2's range isn't necessarily wide enough to play this hand from the sb, yet. It may get there real soon if this dynamic persists.

As played I think I'm b/c this flop. If I'm raised on flop and both villains come along I'm seriously considering c/f on the turn.

I could see us still being good against Q/10 if we are raised, but not much else....RIO, etc.

If we fire flop and only get one caller w/no raise than I'm going to continue to fire.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:09 PM   #13
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If we fire flop and only get one caller w/no raise than I'm going to continue to fire.
This seems like a pretty bad spot to barrel. Are you bluffing or hoping for a calldown from a worse hand?
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:14 PM   #14
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Re: Live 3/6: Getting cold feet.

Looking to get Call down from an A high or a straight draw. Some low stakes players will SD here with almost any pocket pair. Seems like a good spot to keep betting until raised, depending on who is doing the calling.
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Re: Live 3/6: Getting cold feet.

b/f
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