im in late possition with KQo. there is an high hand bonus every 30 min for each table, so just about every person is seeing the flop. The flop is 9TJ with 2 hearts. It checks to me and i bet $2 and get 2 callers. turn is a club. it checks to me and again the same 2 people call my $4 bet. river is the 8h. 1st to act checks and the lady in the middle bets $4. the SB is still left to act. should i give this lady credit for having the flush? should i flat and hope the SB dont re raise and possibly capped before it gets to me? am i committed and have to make this call?

I call without an awesome read on the lady. Note that there are many pair+straightdraw hands that just got there besides the flush.

In this situation it takes more than three to a flush on the board and a bet to convince me she has a flush.

She could have the flush, BUT
She could have some other hand and is hoping no one has the flush, OR
She could have some other hand and failed to notice a flush is possible.

So I would definitely call the one bet to me here.


If the SB raises, you have to start thinking about how likely it is that neither one of them has the flush. If you think both villains are completely silly, you might call. I think I could fold here, especially if it’s two bets back to me.

thanks

Well if it wasn't a card that also meant they could have a queen then this:

Without having looked a any of the above replies I think a fold here is a good idea although it might be 2 pair or a set made on the river. The other player is unlikely to raise and if he or she does then I would be folding after that, someone has to have a flush.
If you fold and the other player calls the river you get to see what they had and you will feel good about yourself.

But defo just call, a raise is risky with another player still to act, and we can fold if it's raised up (and then probs capped) before it gets back to us again. If it was a heads-up hand maybe raise and then call or fold if re-raised depending on stakes and opponent.

Now looking forwards to reading above replies!!

You have to call this river. There is a 4 card straight on the board. She could have a hand like QJ or QT that you beat. If the SB raises and the lady 3 bets, then I think I would fold.

Are river k/r common at your 2/4? Why are you worried about SB? If you get k/r (you won't) you muck, easy game.

If she's a total nit you can call to get the overcall, but if she'd bet a straight then just raise, you have a strong hand.

Folding is ridiculous.

I think at least call. Me I might raise here.

I give SB 0 credit for a flush. I guess the way the hand played out would insinuate the middle lady just calling And betting at the H could mean a flush . But I think sb is more likely on a pair and a kicker draw and middle lady has a weak flush or two pair, maybe a straight!

It would depend on middle ladies play. Loose passive? Draw alot? Straight forward play?

Never folding, except to 2bets!

everyone at the table was pretty loose passive. they were all there playing for the perks(high hand,bad beat,deep stack tourney tickets for straight flushes or royals) more than the pots. i mean a couple times i raised pre with KK and easily got 5-6 callers.

I typically raise but calling ain't bad either.

lots of yucky Qs will call early there but they will seldom donk with out a pat hand unless your noticeably aggressive.

if she will donk wider and you are noticeably aggressive you still might just call and hope to pick up another bet from the river checker. if he calls many river reversals. I think you get better ROI this way.

if she will donk wider but wont river 3b! with out a near nut hand, you are noticeably aggressive and the checker wont over call many river reversals go ahead and raise.

I really dont like this way as much because of the combinetics of the hand and the high suited playing percentages of many LLHE players and their tendency not to vb hands into scary boards on the river, esp when OOP.

I mean they are check calling on a wet flop so they got something brewing right?