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Old 02-07-2012, 03:04 PM   #1
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Line Check

6-handed single BB game. loose/weak hijack limps in and I limp behind with KhJc (yes, probably should have raised) Straight-forward BB raises and 3 of us go to the flop.

Ac 9c 2c

BB leads and hijack folds. I...

-peel one off and see how BB reacts to a fourth club?

-fold immediately?

-raise as a sort of free card / information play?
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Old 02-07-2012, 03:14 PM   #2
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I see this a lot in my game. A player refusing to put money in pre against a weak player with a monster hand, who then decides to spew with a weak holding against the aggressive player on a board where he is a huge dog.

Are you trying to "compensate" for the terrible preflop decision?
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Old 02-07-2012, 03:15 PM   #3
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Re: Line Check

Of course!
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Old 02-07-2012, 03:16 PM   #4
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I call and hope to hit a club. I'm only raising preflop if the limper folds a lot of flops.

After playing with stove, we beat a 40% range by about 56/44, so we should raise. If he's more tight passive limping 20% were a 48/52 dog but should still raise because of fold equity on the flop. If he's tight passive but showdown bound, we should limp.

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Old 02-07-2012, 03:33 PM   #5
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Oh, I missed you have a club. My head was still spinning from the preflop limp against the loose/weak player. There is some hope to win this.

If the BB would bet a PP (other than aces) and isn't aggressive, raising the flop to see 2 cards for 1BB can't be too bad. Otherwise I'd call to avoid getting 3 bet and having to call the turn.
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Old 02-07-2012, 03:48 PM   #6
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In general we aren't in great shape here against a straight forward low limit BB raiser, so we should not go crazy with our hand. A lot of his range has a club higher than J.
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Old 02-07-2012, 03:56 PM   #7
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In general we aren't in great shape here against a straight forward low limit BB raiser, so we should not go crazy with our hand. A lot of his range has a club higher than J.
...which is why I lol-folded after flatting the flop when a fourth club came and he led out confidently on the turn.
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Old 02-07-2012, 05:03 PM   #8
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...which is why I lol-folded after flatting the flop when a fourth club came and he led out confidently on the turn.
For me, folding is pretty drastic here. I was thinking more along the lines of NOT going into spew mode: raising the flop, barrelling the turn, and raising the river when we hit.

This is very opponent specific, but I may call the turn here getting 5:1 and look into his soul on the river (also known as "I hope he checks the river")
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Old 02-07-2012, 05:13 PM   #9
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Re: Line Check

BB has A with Kc just fold and move on
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Old 02-07-2012, 05:45 PM   #10
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...which is why I lol-folded after flatting the flop when a fourth club came and he led out confidently on the turn.
If you're folding when you hit your flush on the turn, why even call the flop? What range of hands did you put him on pre and post flop?
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Old 02-07-2012, 05:51 PM   #11
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BB has A with Kc just fold and move on
x-ray vision?
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Old 02-07-2012, 05:52 PM   #12
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Re: Line Check

raise pre, as played call flop call turn fold river UI.
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Old 02-07-2012, 06:21 PM   #13
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BB has A with Kc just fold and move on
Good read. End of thread

How about the combos of AA(3) KK(1) QQ(3) AK(6) AQ(9) with no club?, JJ(3) or AJ(9) 99(3) that can't have a club, or TT(6) with or without a club?
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Old 02-07-2012, 06:50 PM   #14
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If you're folding when you hit your flush on the turn, why even call the flop? What range of hands did you put him on pre and post flop?
I felt like he would c-bet most of his fairly narrow range on the flop (which includes a few non-club draws - namely, Ax no club), but go into c/c mode w/o a strong flush when a fourth club hit the turn. Very read dependent, but I felt strong about it.

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Old 02-07-2012, 07:03 PM   #15
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I felt like he would c-bet most of his fairly narrow range on the flop, but go into c/c mode w/o a strong flush when a fourth club hit the turn. Very read dependent, but I felt strong about it.
You know your villian better than us, but you'd better be 85+% "strong" about it

You may also may want to rethink the whole: "I limp strong hand against loose/weak, give action to aggressive player, fold when I make my hand" approach to short handed poker.
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