8/16 kill pot. UTG posts 16 full kill.

MP..slightly loose, passive

HJ...loose, reasonably agro pre, likes to bluff if checked to but doesn't play draws agro.

CO....loose somewhat agro but does limp or over limp hands she should raise, like big suited broadway, 88's etc....she is very mubsy and careful post flop. She will bet flop with draw and then check turn UIP. She doesn't have a 3 bet range on flop. She will slow play monsters. If she bets the turn she has at least top pair good kick...and then she'll check river.

UTG....tries to play well but is too loose and straight forwarded. He seems foldy to aggression...he often sais "I believe you"

I should have a pretty st forward image post flop.

All of these players call....I call BB with Kd7s.. killer(UTG) checks.

356cc checked to CO who bets....I'm next..what's my play?

I'd call.

Folding is not an option. Make with the raisey.

If we're counting the K's as 3 outs, raising is the way to clean them up. I doubt that OESDs and 98 will fold to 2bets given the pot size, so let's consider the 7's uncleanable.

Raising costs an extra bet to clean up 3 outs, which might be good anyway, and blasts out weaker hands which are irrelevant; calling allows us to pad the odds for the other 4 (gutshot) outs. Heuristically this doesn't seem like a good value prop, but I can be convinced otherwise. Are we planning to barrel?

what price are you getting and what do you estimate villain's range to be?

This is like 1/3rd of the answer. Call and it's probably not close.

I would have bet the flop, but I really really like betting.

This.

But since you checked, you bloof.

+1

Also, an observation about "cleaning outs". If one is raising or betting to do it, you can't also count the outs as full outs.

For instance, if you are raising to clean the king outs here, you can't also say that you have 3 king outs-- the whole point of the play is that there's another, stronger king out there that you can get to fold, leaving you with two, not three, remaining kings.

Same thing with the gutshot outs. If you are raising to get someone to fold a 4, you have to assume that there are only 3, not four, 4's left.

I think if we were actually going to bet/raise this flop, it would need to be as a semi-bluff, not an attempt to clear outs. In other words, the idea would be that if we fired off 3 barrels on scary boards, we'd be able to get everyone to fold often enough when we don't hit our hand. And I suspect there aren't enough scenarios where everyone is going to do that.

If the board is scary then either we hit, or there are four clubs on the board. We don't want them to fold in the former and the latter is a 20:1 shot.

I dislike bluffing/raising without a BDFD. Call it is