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Old 07-09-2012, 12:23 PM   #91
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Re: July LC/NC -- See you in Vegas

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Old 07-09-2012, 12:31 PM   #92
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Old 07-09-2012, 12:36 PM   #93
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I'm back on the ground in the city of hell fire, god I've aged 5 years in 2. I have played 3 days in the last 18 not counting the B, and am horrified of trying to ramp back up.

I have paid all my wsop markers Jesus all of my friends were bad at tournaments this year.

Leo is an amazing host as usual. To shower the forum with praise from a stationary bike would be silly. I'll write more later.

I am going to relose weight. Does anybody want action? Also I have money on two poker sites; lol should be busto by Thursday.
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:29 PM   #94
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I find it funny when people get steamed after a 'bad beat'. Had the shoe been on the other foot it would be no big deal at all.

I played with a guy yesterday (on my right) that played EVERY SINGLE HAND. He was berating another player at the table who also played every hand (yeah, it was a great game), and would get steamed when his junk top pair or 2-pair hand lost, but when he caught cards to win that was standard and as it should be.

One hand after he won a nice pot by catching a gut-shot on the river vs. some guys Kings, he got steamed when I filled an oesd to 'crack' his 2 pair. I looked at him and said "You'd have played my hand exactly the same way." and he calmed down and agreed. After that at least he stopped getting upset when I beat him.

Some people honestly think they should win every single hand, and if they don't it's the dealer, or the cards (SETUP!), or some other player that gave them a bad beat. Funny stuff.
I'm surprised you tried to calm him down. Wouldn't it be better if he kept getting upset after you beat him?
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Old 07-09-2012, 02:25 PM   #95
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Re: July LC/NC -- See you in Vegas

Just wanted to take a sec to say thanks to everyone who shares their mind on this site. You guys are helping me get a lot better. I'm especially getting a lot better at hand-reading at game speed, and there were two spots yesterday where a year ago I know I would have lost at least two more bets than I did.

Hand one I raise pre with KJ and five of us see the flop of QT9. I raise a passive old man's donk into the field, and he 3!. He hardly ever 3!, and I've never seen him do it on a draw, of course I still capped. So when he leads into my cap when T turns, I think for a second about his range. I realize there is almost no way he 3! the flop without at least a set, so I am tied w/ him at absolute best. (If he somehow had Q9 and got counterfeited, he would have checked turn.) So I just call and then call when he bets a blank river. He tables 99 and I am so busy being happy with my play I forget I lost the hand.

Hand two I raise pre with AJ and six of us see a flop of J82. A tightish, passivish guy donks, I raise, SB calls, TP guy 3!, I call, SB calls. TP is another guy who rarely 3! so I put him on 2p at minimum. Turn 6, SB checks, TP bets, I call, SB calls. River J. SB checks and this time TP guy checks. I took a second, thought about it, and realized there was no way this guy was playing 82 pre, so given flop 3! I figure he flopped either 22, 88, or J8, of which I beat exactly nothing, and he thinks I have a J and will fire as I've been aggressive. I check behind and he rolls over 88.

A year ago I would have raised both turns without thinking about it. Maybe I was still wrong, idk, but I was happy with how I thought it through.

That is all. Your forum is helping. Thanks.
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I have played 3 days in the last 18 not counting the B, and am horrified of trying to ramp back up.
Yeah, but it's the quality, not quantity, of your play that matters.
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Old 07-09-2012, 04:45 PM   #97
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Yeah, but it's the quality, not quantity, of your play that matters.
That's not really true at all. And I lost 40 bets in a white chip game one of the days lol.
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Two weeks ago, I booked my worst loss (50 BB over 7 hours) ever (3.5 years). I was flop dead and kept getting run down with turned/rivered trips when I did connect with the flop. One of those days. One older LP woman, in particular, tortured me. She's picked up on my agression but I'm not sure if she distinguishes how it varies with the multi-handedness of the hand (i.e., c-betting 3-handed or less and only value betting more multi-handed). She was calling me down if she had a made hand. And I missed a lot. Lost a good chunk to her that night because I just couldn't hit a hand with good openers.

Well, Saturday night the coin flipped. I was flopping TP and value betting to the river. And she kept calling with any piece. Usually a lesser piece. And paid me off over and over and over. This is why I always rap the table to kindly acknowledge her wins.

It's also why my inner voice LAO's when somebody else flips out when getting run down by the fish. IMO, this has got to be one of the most important keys to successfully playing LHE. Recognize the value in poor play by your opponents and embrace it with friendliness. Even on the nights when the fish are eating you. Being on friendly, first-name terms with the fish is so +EV.
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Old 07-09-2012, 05:02 PM   #99
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That's not really true at all. And I lost 40 bets in a white chip game one of the days lol.
-1 on the satire.

I had already read the blog, of which I'm a late arriving fan. Sorry to hear about the rough session. Had a similarly bad session around the same time, at just a tad lower stakes.

At 14 hours, you probably played past your prime. Though I don't know what you do, if anything, to recharge/rejuvinate during a long session. And its sounds like you were a little slow in detecting a dropoff in your game. But at least you got out before it went completely to hell.

It seems I struggle most in my regular Sat night game. Which is just a fish fest. Seems like I just run below average when it comes to hitting big hands (sets+). Seems like a lot of nights are TPTK nights when TPTK isn't good enough. Not in the big pots, anyway.

I'm loathe to leave a good table with bad opponents. Though 8-9 hours is about the max length of my sessions. Not unless the table dynamic really changes -- short-handed (in a dropped game), NLHE players invading from a broken NLHE game, or too many of the real fish rack up and leave.

I also wouldn't worry about the attitude from the pros. It should give you more of a reason to chat up the fish. Which never hurts.

Better post-Vegas, white-chip luck. Keep the blogs coming.
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Old 07-09-2012, 05:52 PM   #100
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Just wanted to take a sec to say thanks to everyone who shares their mind on this site. You guys are helping me get a lot better. I'm especially getting a lot better at hand-reading at game speed, and there were two spots yesterday where a year ago I know I would have lost at least two more bets than I did.

Hand one I raise pre with KJ and five of us see the flop of QT9. I raise a passive old man's donk into the field, and he 3!. He hardly ever 3!, and I've never seen him do it on a draw, of course I still capped. So when he leads into my cap when T turns, I think for a second about his range. I realize there is almost no way he 3! the flop without at least a set, so I am tied w/ him at absolute best. (If he somehow had Q9 and got counterfeited, he would have checked turn.) So I just call and then call when he bets a blank river. He tables 99 and I am so busy being happy with my play I forget I lost the hand.

Hand two I raise pre with AJ and six of us see a flop of J82. A tightish, passivish guy donks, I raise, SB calls, TP guy 3!, I call, SB calls. TP is another guy who rarely 3! so I put him on 2p at minimum. Turn 6, SB checks, TP bets, I call, SB calls. River J. SB checks and this time TP guy checks. I took a second, thought about it, and realized there was no way this guy was playing 82 pre, so given flop 3! I figure he flopped either 22, 88, or J8, of which I beat exactly nothing, and he thinks I have a J and will fire as I've been aggressive. I check behind and he rolls over 88.

A year ago I would have raised both turns without thinking about it. Maybe I was still wrong, idk, but I was happy with how I thought it through.

That is all. Your forum is helping. Thanks.


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Old 07-09-2012, 05:53 PM   #101
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Does anyone have any insight into the poker room at the Green Valley Ranch in Vegas? I have a conference there in a couple weeks that I am debating whether or not to attend. Is it your typical off strip room that only spreads 3/6 for comp chasing locals? Any insight is appreciated.

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Old 07-09-2012, 06:01 PM   #102
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I raise the turn in hand one and bet the river in hand 2.

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Groovenstein played both these hands very very well and articulated his good reasoning too.
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I raise the turn in hand one and bet the river in hand 2.
I like both hands. Gotta follow your reads with TPs. That's how you dodge their big hands. They virtually turn their big hands face-up with their TP style when they get aggrssive.

I like Groovenstein's logic in both hands. Get to showdown cheaply and don't valuetown yourself against a TP.
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Old 07-09-2012, 06:19 PM   #104
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Groovenstein played both these hands very very well and articulated his good reasoning too.
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I like both hands. Gotta follow your reads with TPs. That's how you dodge their big hands. They virtually turn their big hands face-up with their TP style when they get aggrssive.

I like Groovenstein's logic in both hands. Get to showdown cheaply and don't valuetown yourself against a TP.
Sounds like a whole lot of results oriented thinking imo.
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Does anyone have any insight into the poker room at the Green Valley Ranch in Vegas? I have a conference there in a couple weeks that I am debating whether or not to attend. Is it your typical off strip room that only spreads 3/6 for comp chasing locals? Any insight is appreciated.

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www.bravopokerlive.com will allow you plenty of data points leading up to your conference.

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