I don't think I played this right. 8/16 live - Page 2 - Small Stakes Poker Forum

Hbtn · 06-09-2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by callipygian

Fold preflop, even if the game is loose-passive.

As played, check the turn. Do you expect a better hand to fold? Do you expect a worse hand to call? If no to both, then there's zero point in betting. If someone bets, treat your hand as a 5-outer.

Really? ... I mean I'm sure it isn't a huge deal either way but I would think limping here is fine in some circumstances.

grotto1 · 06-10-2012, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by callipygian

Fold preflop, even if the game is loose-passive.

As played, check the turn. Do you expect a better hand to fold? Do you expect a worse hand to call? If no to both, then there's zero point in betting. If someone bets, treat your hand as a 5-outer.

Yes I do expect worse hands to call. V1 calls to the river with bottom pair or even A high. Not only he calls but in some occasions he is raising. V2 is not as crazy.

holmfries · 06-10-2012, 11:59 AM

No offense but you probably shouldn't be playing 8/16...

jdr0317 · 06-10-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by grotto1

Vilain 1 almost maniac. Calls preflop with any two cards.
Vilain 2 TAG. Very conservative. Time to time he try a bluff but if he encounters opposition he flods.

Hero UTG with K

9

raises.
Vilain1 next to act calls as expected
Fold to Vilain2 on the button who calls and both blinds fold.

Flop 7.5sb 8

9

J

Hero bets, both call.
Turn 10

Hero bet, V1 raises, V2 makes it 3 bets, Hero folds

Was this a good fold considering the amount of money in the pot?

Fold pf.

As played, flop is fine, turn is a c/f (unless V1 is a spew box capable pf turning 8x into a bluff).

nonsimplesimon · 06-10-2012, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hbtn

Really? ... I mean I'm sure it isn't a huge deal either way but I would think limping here is fine in some circumstances.

No it isn't. Are you playing here in MN?

jdr0317 · 06-10-2012, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hbtn

Really? ... I mean I'm sure it isn't a huge deal either way but I would think limping here is fine in some circumstances.

Here are two scenarios:
1) You limp pf UTG w/ Kd9d. UTG +1 raise, UTG +2 3!'s, CO, BTN, BB call. Now what?

2) You limp, 3 more limps, SB completes, BB checks. Flop is AK5, no diamond. Checks to you and you...?

This hand is going to get you in trouble OOP, and it'll get you in even more trouble if you limp it. Save hands like this for the HJ and later.

Hbtn · 06-11-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

Here are two scenarios:
1) You limp pf UTG w/ Kd9d. UTG +1 raise, UTG +2 3!'s, CO, BTN, BB call. Now what?

2) You limp, 3 more limps, SB completes, BB checks. Flop is AK5, no diamond. Checks to you and you...?

This hand is going to get you in trouble OOP, and it'll get you in even more trouble if you limp it. Save hands like this for the HJ and later.

1) A game where there was ANY raise/3! lines preflop except by KK and AA is not a game where I would suggest that limping UTG with K9s is marginal. So, I fold not closing the action and dominated.

2) Depends on who limped.

When I look down and see K9s UTG I fold 95%+ of the time. I am only suggesting that in some extremely loose passive games, limping UTG with K9s wouldn't be a huge leak.

jdr0317 · 06-11-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hbtn

1) A game where there was ANY raise/3! lines preflop except by KK and AA is not a game where I would suggest that limping UTG with K9s is marginal. So, I fold not closing the action and dominated.

2) Depends on who limped.

When I look down and see K9s UTG I fold 95%+ of the time. I am only suggesting that in some extremely loose passive games, limping UTG with K9s wouldn't be a huge leak.

Even if your entire table only PFR's the top 5% of their range (incredibly passive), you've still a reasonable chance (37%) of being raised PF, and over 30% chance of being raised PF and being OOP of the PFR. Even in a loose passive game, you're probably, at best, 50/50 on being raised OOP here. I think the odds of being dominated by a limper are just too great to make a habit of trying to open limp this, even if the table is too exploitably LP to notice.

Hbtn · 06-11-2012, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon

No it isn't. Are you playing here in MN?

No it isn't fine under any circumstance?

No sir I am not but thank you for asking.

Hbtn · 06-11-2012, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

Even if your entire table only PFR's the top 5% of their range (incredibly passive)...

I've played in games where people only raise their top 1% and sometimes limp.

timmer · 06-12-2012, 04:17 PM

why raise Junk PF in this game? you just dont need to do that so why do it?

Trex8063 · 06-12-2012, 05:42 PM

*G*

Was this 9-handed? If so, easy pf fold UTG. 6-handed, maybe.

Edit: As played, c/c turn for one bet, c/f for 2+.

Grease · 06-12-2012, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KitCloudkicker

c/f turn, theres no rule in poker that says you have to keep betting until someone raises

Yeah, and fold PF.