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Old 08-06-2012, 03:43 PM   #1
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A-high call in 4-way pot

Hero is new to the game, probably has a tight image so far. MP is a somewhat taggish player maybe on the LAG side. UTG is a donk. CO is a loose, gambling type of player. He's unpredictable, sometimes passive, sometimes aggressive, will throw in a random limp-rr with crap and does weird stuff like that.

10/20 LHE

Hero is in SB with AK

UTG limps, MP raises, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, all call.

Flop: 49J

Hero bets, UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Turn: 49J4

Check, check, check, check

River: 49J42

Check, check, check, CO bets, Hero?
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:13 PM   #2
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Re: A-high call in 4-way pot

yep, call and feel good about it.
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Old 08-06-2012, 06:47 PM   #3
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Re: A-high call in 4-way pot

Given the read on CO a call is good.

What about a raise here? Is that just lighting money on fire? Folding out something like 66 would be nice and I don't think that most 6/12 villains (especially our UTG donk) understand how much stronger they should be to overcall, so they are prone to overcall light but may fold facing 2 cold.
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Old 08-06-2012, 10:37 PM   #4
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Re: A-high call in 4-way pot

fold you have 2 callers behind you still!
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Old 08-06-2012, 10:40 PM   #5
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Re: A-high call in 4-way pot

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Given the read on CO a call is good.

What about a raise here? Is that just lighting money on fire? Folding out something like 66 would be nice and I don't think that most 6/12 villains (especially our UTG donk) understand how much stronger they should be to overcall, so they are prone to overcall light but may fold facing 2 cold.
FWIW my hand is more of less face up here so I think it's solid for them to overcall with anything they would have called the bettor with (provided it beats A-high)
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Old 08-06-2012, 10:53 PM   #6
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Re: A-high call in 4-way pot

Bet the turn; fold the river as played.
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Old 08-07-2012, 11:05 PM   #7
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Re: A-high call in 4-way pot

If we think we have CO beat shouldn't we be raising (as opposed to calling)? No worse hands will overcall, but we could fold weak hands that might call for 1 bet.

this may be way off.
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Old 08-07-2012, 11:54 PM   #8
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Re: A-high call in 4-way pot

flop bet is bad

as played either CR or fold the river.
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:07 PM   #9
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Re: A-high call in 4-way pot

I'd c/r that river before I c/c it, FWIW.

Fold > Raise > Call here.
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Old 08-09-2012, 12:10 AM   #10
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Re: A-high call in 4-way pot

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Call imo (fold if it gets raised behind).

Edit: Oh, and I'd probably not have cbet the flop, btw. Board really smacks bad limp/call and cc ranges. I'd maybe c/c for one, c/f for two+ otf.
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Old 08-09-2012, 01:07 AM   #11
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Re: A-high call in 4-way pot

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Hero is new to the game, probably has a tight image so far. MP is a somewhat taggish player maybe on the LAG side. UTG is a donk. CO is a loose, gambling type of player. He's unpredictable, sometimes passive, sometimes aggressive, will throw in a random limp-rr with crap and does weird stuff like that.

10/20 LHE

Hero is in SB with AK

UTG limps, MP raises, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, all call.

Flop: 49J

Hero bets, UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Turn: 49J4

Check, check, check, check

River: 49J42

Check, check, check, CO bets, Hero?
I wouldn't cbet the flop.

OTR calling when not closing the action is bad. Two other players who could over-call with a hand can beat you and if you raise making it two you have a lot of fold-equities even versus a 9 or J. But if and only if the guys behind you can fold such hands. If you had two tags or decentish players behind who could make such folds (or even one if it were 3way) then by all means raisey-daisey but if not I think I lean towards a fold. In sshe games FE goes out the window because dudes are such ****ing donkey stations, at least in my room they are. So if it were 20/40 with two ok players behind me I'd probably c/r and if it were (at CP) 8/16 and below I'd prob just fold ... tbh. You did say utg was a "donk" .... is he the kind of donk that would call two cold with say MP?

Last edited by nonsimplesimon; 08-09-2012 at 01:11 AM. Reason: but if the players are really good they'll read your cr as FOS AK as I would if I were them but it'd still be a tuff call.
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Old 08-09-2012, 01:08 AM   #12
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Re: A-high call in 4-way pot

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Bet the turn; fold the river as played.
I like the check ott because with that many callers I think we are behind and even with the combination of bdfd improving I think it's more of a reason not to bet.
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Old 08-09-2012, 01:50 AM   #13
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Re: A-high call in 4-way pot

Interesting how many different lines people are advocating here. wouldn't normally c-bet 4-way on a flop like this, but I had been pretty quiet so far and I felt like my range looked pretty strong after 3-betting a decent size field from the SB, I thought maybe I could try to thin the field and set myself up to barrel the turn HU. Perhaps I'm overthinking it given the quality of my opponents.

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Old 08-09-2012, 03:05 PM   #14
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Re: A-high call in 4-way pot

[G] Flop: your very likely looking at a J someplace. k/f or b/f here or k/f the turn unless you improve dramatically.
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Old 08-09-2012, 03:36 PM   #15
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Re: A-high call in 4-way pot

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Interesting how many different lines people are advocating here. wouldn't normally c-bet 4-way on a flop like this, but I had been pretty quiet so far and I felt like my range looked pretty strong after 3-betting a decent size field from the SB, I thought maybe I could try to thin the field and set myself up to barrel the turn HU. Perhaps I'm overthinking it given the quality of my opponents.
I don't like the flop bet.

Hoping to only get one caller on this flop (and not face a raise) is overly optimistic. Bad players make bad calls. Also, J9x hits a limper's range reasonably well.
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