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Old 01-27-2017, 05:20 AM   #1
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Guidelines for Overlimping ax hands

Midstakes game, full ring. Aside from hero, table normally has 5-6 recs, 1-2 'good reg/professional/semi-professional. There is a lot of limping, most of it bad, but 1-2 players routinely limp very strong hands including 88-aa, a[k-t], kq as well as more normal limping hands. limp-raising is extremely rare.

mid-Late position, I'm often unsure whether to call, raise or fold. Even a hand like a9o on the btn can be challenging after 3 limps, one of who limps some very good hands like described above. I'll post a few spots below to get the discussion started.

My question is only focused on ax hands, not other types of hands. Also more on the borderline hands as AJ+, ATs+ is normally a fairly straightforward raise.


utg+3:
Bad rec limps, tight rec limps, 1 fold

Utg+4:
2 bad recs limp

hj:
Bad rec, tight rec, pro

Co:
1bad recs, 1 ok rec, 1 pro

Btn:
1 bad rec, 1 tight rec, 1 ok rec, 1 unknown


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Old 01-27-2017, 10:59 AM   #2
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Re: Guidelines for Overlimping ax hands

Don't focus on what strong hands the good recs limp. Focus on what their entire limp range is.

In the CO/BTN it's never too bad to limp along with playable hands.
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Old 01-28-2017, 12:28 AM   #3
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Re: Guidelines for Overlimping ax hands

I agree with how so important position is. BTN/CO would be the only place to limp A2-A7 unless the game was super passive and I was certain there would be no raise.

A8-A9 can be added in MP for a limp (or raise depending on the situation)

the only hand I would limp occasionally is ATs, AJs from EP in a loose passive game.
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Old 01-28-2017, 11:52 PM   #4
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Re: Guidelines for Overlimping ax hands

I had an opponent the other day in a mid-stake that was as willing to limp a 65s in early as any and all pocket pairs including AA. I was going to make a border raise in the cut-off with 66, since one of the limpers is limping with any-two, and decided at the last second to just call.
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Old 01-30-2017, 09:26 PM   #5
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Re: Guidelines for Overlimping ax hands

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I had an opponent the other day in a mid-stake that was as willing to limp a 65s in early as any and all pocket pairs including AA. I was going to make a border raise in the cut-off with 66, since one of the limpers is limping with any-two, and decided at the last second to just call.
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Don't focus on what strong hands the good recs limp. Focus on what their entire limp range is.
phunkphish has it. If he's limping 65s, it doesn't matter that he could have AA. Look at his entire range. If raising is correct it just is and sometimes he gets to have AA. Guess I'd argue with "good rec" because the plays our OP describes are just bad.
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the only hand I would limp occasionally is ATs, AJs from EP in a loose passive game.
Because you're not angry enough at money to fold, but you dislike it enough not to raise? Occasionally means we randomize based on mood? The best play is either to raise them or not to do so. In the case of AJs in EP, it is clearly best to raise. Do that every time. ATs UTG+1, same. The game being loose/passive means that people who should 3 bet you will fail to do so. It also means that they'll still call with K9s for 2nd best flush draw.
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Old 01-31-2017, 06:31 PM   #6
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Re: Guidelines for Overlimping ax hands

I overlimp and coldcall like it is my job, but I don't think I would ever overlimp any unsuited Ax hand.
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Old 02-19-2017, 10:37 PM   #7
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Re: Guidelines for Overlimping ax hands

I mix all three here fold/raise/call depending on limp ranges, leaning towards raise. I use to auto fold.
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Old 02-20-2017, 08:10 AM   #8
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Re: Guidelines for Overlimping ax hands

Either my high card strength is good, or it isn't, so almost always raise/fold in these situations.
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