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Old 06-13-2012, 12:10 PM   #1
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fw 8/16 - JJ with A on board

Been running bad, now I'm wondering what the standard line is in this situation:

Button is aggressive but only a little on the LAG side preflop. Otherwise, I think he plays straightforward.
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BTN opens, I 3-bet JJ in the SB, BB folds, BTN calls.

Flop (7sb)
A 8 5
I bet he calls

Turn (4.5bb)
3
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Old 06-13-2012, 01:52 PM   #2
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Re: fw 8/16 - JJ with A on board

My default would be b/f.
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Old 06-13-2012, 03:43 PM   #3
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Re: fw 8/16 - JJ with A on board

you're back in RI? I saw in the FW thread they've been running some 8-16, I hope it sticks

I bet-fold against the "straightforward post flop" type, if he's the type to take a stab with air or a FD I think c-c and probably c-c a non-heart river if he's capable of firing twice. The vast majority of 4-8 villains this is an easy bet-fold, not sure if that applies to 8-16.
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Old 06-13-2012, 05:21 PM   #4
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Re: fw 8/16 - JJ with A on board

b/f turn, check call (induce a bluff) any non heart river maybe?
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Old 06-14-2012, 01:19 PM   #5
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Re: fw 8/16 - JJ with A on board

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My default would be b/f.
I would need a reason not to B/F here. I would decide on a river action depending on the card and the opponent.
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Old 06-14-2012, 01:35 PM   #6
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Re: fw 8/16 - JJ with A on board

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Been running bad, now I'm wondering what the standard line is in this situation:

Button is aggressive but only a little on the LAG side preflop. Otherwise, I think he plays straightforward.
7-handed
BTN opens, I 3-bet JJ in the SB, BB folds, BTN calls.

Flop (7sb)
A 8 5
I bet he calls

Turn (4.5bb)
3
?
Grunch

Well if he plays str8For then wouldn't he raise otf - or would he wait to raise ott?

Meh - it's tough since it's heads up... but I can see bf'ing here since you 3b pf. He'd have to have some balls of steel to raise you w/out an Ace.

I don't like a check either way - I think it's exploitable because he bets and we ... fold? ... we call so know we're owning ourselves whether or not we're behind or ahead? (mostly ahead and he checks back haha). I think once he raises after we bet we're behind most combos than we're ahead sadly and I think a real tough fold is in order (vs this opponent).
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Old 06-14-2012, 01:36 PM   #7
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I would need a reason not to B/F here.
not B or not F or both?
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Re: fw 8/16 - JJ with A on board

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not B or not F or both?
Sorry if it's not clear but I default to B/F here unless they are chronic turn bluff or semibluff raisers.
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Old 06-14-2012, 06:00 PM   #9
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Re: fw 8/16 - JJ with A on board

straight forward its bet fold probably 75% and check something 25% if you need balance across the table. of course thats contingent on you betting pat hands on the turn when you hit them. if you always try for a check raise then I would suggest you check something 75% bet something 25%

of course this is all contingent on the awareness of your opponents and their turn aggression factors.
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Button is aggressive but only a little on the LAG side preflop. Otherwise, I think he plays straightforward.
What's his opening range on the button? Isn't a little on the lag side on the button almost any two cards?

If so, we are crushing him on this board and he should be calling us down with any pair (our 3b range should be wide), plus we don't want to give a free card to the hearts, so we should bet the turn!
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Old 06-15-2012, 12:41 AM   #11
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Re: fw 8/16 - JJ with A on board

B/F

As an aside, how new is the 8/16 @ woods? Did they merge the 5/10 and 10/20 into one game? How does the game play? This interests me since I am heading there this weekend.
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Old 06-17-2012, 11:04 AM   #12
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Re: fw 8/16 - JJ with A on board

It was a weekday night, and the game formed from an interest list. 10/20 was not running; 8/16 appears to be the new midpoint of 4/8 and 20/40. There was a decent stream of bad players, but at many times the table was solid, 2-3 to the flop, raised pots every hand type of thing. i.e. I wouldn't go to fw just for this game.
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Re: fw 8/16 - JJ with A on board

Yeah I'd bet/fold here, and if I got to the river c/f on most cards.
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if I got to the river c/f on most cards.
For real? Against a LAG button open?
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Kinda miss he was OTB, but that actually kinda strengthens my case as every raggedy ace is in his range.
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