Here are a few fun/stupid hands that I played recently at various limits. In most cases these hands are vs opponents who like to take free cards; I likely have an image of somebody that doesn't like to give them. How many bets do we go in each spot (in some cases I actually put in more or less bets than what I wrote but think this will make it more interesting)

Hand 1: good pro opens utg, 1 cold call and pro I know call button, I call 99 bb. Ah Jd 9h flopped checked to button who bets I check raise/4!/6!/8!/10bet flop (all in?)

Hand 2: bad guy opens from MP, in3 bet KQ from sb and flop is Ks 4s 6d: I bet/3!/5!/7! Flop (all in?)

Hand 3: I open JsQs utg+1 and get cold called jn 2 spots, flop is 8s 10h 2h and I bet/3!/5!/7! Flop and barrel off

Hand 4: bad guy opens utg and I 3 bet sb with A-10s, he caps, i cr/4 bet the A-9-2 flop and don't 5 bet when given the chance

1. nh
2. i'd slow down after 5
3. i would not 5bet and might not 3bet
4. nh if there's a flush draw, but i might just call the 3bet otherwise

1. I've seen ppl just call 2 pf w/ JJ or even AA which is my way of saying that at some point I've got to trust the money if the other player isn't an idiot and stop at 6 for sure. Might go 5 on the turn if it's favorable. However, that's 8-16, well below your level so there's that.

2. 7, nm AI? Wut? Even a blind squirrel, etc, etc.

3. I don't even bet the flop and hope that I get to see the turn for 1 bet, sheesh!

4. In practice I vomit in my mouth, call the 3! and hate my life for the 15-20 seconds it takes to c/c the turn and river.

I hope I get to see what actually happened bec I want to grade myself.

I'm gonna need some specific reads to get to the 6 or more bet level for most of these hands. Your personal history will villain is important here.

I'll answer based on what I know from your villain descriptions and my interpretation of how a "bad guy" or "pro" might play.

Hand 1) Both of you are probably discounting the others possibility of holding JJ or AA. The board is drawy and a few big combo draws are in villains range. He should feel pretty good if he has two pair. I think at some point you do need to slow down and consider the possibility he does have the bigger set. I would go at least 6 bets and possibly more if he has seen you go a ton of bets with just top pair and/or he is an Asian.

Hand 2) I would typically go at least 5 and maybe more if he is Asian.

Hand 3) Im assuming this gets heads up. I would go 3 bets. I think you can go 5 bets with your image. Going more bets is getting spewy.

Hand 4) I'd need to have more specifics of "bad guy". If he is bluffy, I would just call down flop 3 bet. If he overplays hands and never folds I would go more bets.

I feel like you are going way too nuts on the flop. If theses guys are maniacs, its probably fine. Otherwise after 5 bets you are probably way behind

wait for trup QQ and get it in........

Hand 1: I think if you are absolutely 100 percent sure this guy would 3-bet AA or JJ, you go all in. But I'm suspect that you can really get that 100 percent read. Even if it's just a 0.5 percent chance that he wasn't paying attention pre-flop, I'm worried because is he really going to 9-bet a draw? Especially since it isn't the J and the 9 that are suited on the flop (which could put an actual two-way straight-flush draw, QdTd, in his range)?

And if you aren't 100 percent sure, I think you have to stop well short of 10.

Hand 2: Depends on how he plays his strong hands. You say he's "bad", but is he "bad" as in "never raises 2 pair or better on the flop"? If so, go ahead and get the chips in the middle. If not, again, I think you have to stop short of 7.

Hand 3: How much fold equity do you have here? If zero, I don't like barreling off and would call the 4-bet.

Hand 4: I think you are WA/WB when he 3-bets the flop, and you should play it accordingly.

I feel like these responses are the reason that 7+ bets are warranted.

I talked to a friend about hand 1 and we concluded 30-40 bets on flop seemed reasonable.

Welp, that takes care of my opinion.

If V in hand 1 is willing to go that far w/o a better hand than yours what does that say about him? You describe him as pro and I think I'd put that in quotes if he can't beat bottom set at 30 bets.

30 seems excessive for a non-shorty who's not itching to get it in. By 10 or so, they've already paid more than if they just called, so I'm happy to give them their "free" card at that point. Certainly by 15 or so, where I've gotten more action than I would have been happy to get from the entire hand, I'd start questioning my assumptions or factoring misread equity.

I agree that u prob wouldn't have went 30 in practice, as I think there's a non 0% chance that can have AA here. Although JJ is impossible. I prob stop at 14/16 and donk non heart turns then call down. I do think what's the magic number Js an interesting question as most reasonable people will give up the free card attempt by 11-12.

I did once get jn 25 bets on turn vs oesfd Because guy im friendly with said he wanted to bust me and knew if he binked river he would only get 1 bet in, but if he got me all jn on turn he could stack me!


Hand 1 spoiler: villain called 10 bet. Turn 8 (puke card) and I didn't get raised, river 7 and she folded, so wasn't Qh10h or KhTh, guessing was pair +fd combo which I'm much happier I jam agaisnt then Oesfd. Howard, I don't disagree with you and idk why anybody, let alone a pro, would play a hand this way; my guess is that because most players stop well short of 10 bets so they have decent equity with each raise if their free card play is successfull.

Especially given that AA/JJ are impossible for me and even 99 has to be discounted as I would have 3 bet pre if first raiser was any other player at table.

I think hand 3 is more interesting than hand 1. I'd kind of like to hear your rationale for barreling here rather than letting villain barrel, given your possession of essentially the nut draw. Is he so in love with free carding that Axh is a big part of his range?

1. They should pretty much never have AA or JJ, and even if they did, would they be raising it IP on the flop? I guess it would be played perfectly if they knew you'd be willing to go all in on the flop. I think I stop at 9 bets because occasionally someone makes a non-standard play. I can recall several situations where I went many bets with the 2nd or 3rd nuts because there was just no chance they played XX that way. But they did.

2. At some point he might just have 2 pair or AK. I would call 4.

3. wat. You're on a different level than me.

4. I don't even raise this once post flop.

As a side note, I've never in my life seen an 8+ bet free card play, which might explain some of my responses.

-#1: Based on spoiler, villain doesn't seem like a pro.
-#2: 5! is optimistic, and I definitely don't put in 7!
-#3: Typo? You flopped nuts? You cray? Bloating the pot means they might cry call you if they pair their FD. If you really want to bluff, just call the 4, and double-donk non-heart turns and rivers.
-#4 is also confusing.

To be fair I think your villain description in hand 1 while accurate may not be the best for getting the correct response (ai)

You prefer to be called exceptional?