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Old 07-01-2012, 12:59 PM   #1
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Foxwoods 4-8 baby flush raised on turn

5 limps, I check 74 in the BB.

Flop 864

I lead, call, call, loose laggy bad btn raises, I 3!, MP and button call. MP is on the bad side, plays too many hands, some aggression pre and post, but not too crazy.

3 to the turn about 7 BB.

Turn 864Q

I bet, MP snap raises, button calls, I...

Fold?

Call and call one on river?
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Old 07-01-2012, 02:52 PM   #2
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5 limps, I check 74 in the BB.

Flop 864

I lead, call, call, loose laggy bad btn raises, I 3!, MP and button call. MP is on the bad side, plays too many hands, some aggression pre and post, but not too crazy.

3 to the turn about 7 BB.

Turn 864Q

I bet, MP snap raises, button calls, I...

Fold?

Call and call one on river?
Blech.

Tough spot. He has a flush, and i think you might be drawing to one out (5). I think I could find a fold here and expect to see a bigger flush at showdown.
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Old 07-01-2012, 03:21 PM   #3
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Re: Foxwoods 4-8 baby flush raised on turn

Before opening thread I thought it'd be a question of whether to 3! or not.
I'd call down. The tell is the snap raise - which usually means he was waiting for a heart but could also mean he was waiting to raise the turn with his flopped straight or set, or a more distant possibility, the queen improves his hand by making two pair or a set. And then, there are a few worse flushes he could have. Yeah, call and call one on riv.
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Old 07-01-2012, 03:25 PM   #4
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Before opening thread I thought it'd be a question of whether to 3! or not.
I'd call down. The tell is the snap raise - which usually means he was waiting for a heart but could also mean he was waiting to raise the turn with his flopped straight or set, or a more distant possibility, the queen improves his hand by making two pair or a set. And then, there are a few worse flushes he could have. Yeah, call and call one on riv.
This is Foxwoods $4/$8, they don't know how to raise with 3 of the same suit on the board unless they have two of them. I'm basically guaranteed to be smoked in this spot w/ this holding at Woods.

Maybe if this opponent is capable of popping a vunerable strong hand, I c/d. I'd want to see him do it first, though.
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Old 07-01-2012, 03:29 PM   #5
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Re: Foxwoods 4-8 baby flush raised on turn

Most LL players are frightened for flush boards and will not bet/raise unless they have the flush, but I have seen some that are not afraid to raise a straight in this spot. I would call, and call one on the river.
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Old 07-01-2012, 10:18 PM   #6
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Re: Foxwoods 4-8 baby flush raised on turn

I call down expecting to lose, but you don't have to be good often enough for this to be right, especially with the loose button trailing you both the whole way.
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Old 07-02-2012, 12:16 AM   #7
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Re: Foxwoods 4-8 baby flush raised on turn

With the 8 and the 6 out there it would mean he'd have to have the 5 (and lower - not as many combos as there are those higher) for you to win which ironically is your life saving out if he had a bigger flush which in this situation he more often than not does. I'd Fold.

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Re: Foxwoods 4-8 baby flush raised on turn

call down
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Old 07-02-2012, 10:32 PM   #9
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Re: Foxwoods 4-8 baby flush raised on turn

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call down
This. Just get to showdown and figure it all out then. Also, don't ever fold a flush... it's poor form.
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Re: Foxwoods 4-8 baby flush raised on turn

It takes a big person to fold a flush in this spot.
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It takes a big person to fold a flush in this spot.
I hate folding here, but I know way too many Foxwoods players who see 3 hearts on the board, look at their set and go "OMG CHECK CHECK CHECK"

Then when you muck, they go "I thought you had a flush!"

Foxwoods $4/$8 goes from really bad to jaw droppingly bad when the flush is in play.
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Old 07-03-2012, 02:48 AM   #12
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Re: Foxwoods 4-8 baby flush raised on turn

I'd call down unless (a) a fourth heart comes or (b) BTN raises the river.
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Old 07-03-2012, 03:05 AM   #13
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I hate folding here, but I know way too many Foxwoods players who see 3 hearts on the board, look at their set and go "OMG CHECK CHECK CHECK"
Then when you muck, they go "I thought you had a flush!"
yah, i get what you're saying. i just see that more when the mubsy player in question is the one who has been putting in the aggression and his opponents are check/calling - but here i think hero's flush is disguised because he and one other player were betting and raising the flop.
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Old 07-03-2012, 03:27 AM   #14
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Re: Foxwoods 4-8 baby flush raised on turn

Is there any possible side value to seeing the hand he has in this spot? I am guessing that if you will play little or not at all w/ this player later, that it does not matter... but if you have played much already w/ this person maybe a fold (or call) is in order based on his range in this spot. My point is that if you will play much later with him, perhaps calling here where -EV but only a little bit, it could be worth it.
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yah, i get what you're saying. i just see that more when the mubsy player in question is the one who has been putting in the aggression and his opponents are check/calling - but here i think hero's flush is disguised because he and one other player were betting and raising the flop.
MP limped/called preflop, called an bet, then took 2 to the face OTF, then suddenly sprang to life OTT.

Screams flush line to me.
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