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Originally Posted by Ducky Medwick
Lady had J9, for low open ender. The king on the river made her the straight. For some reason she did not check-raise me, but only called after I bet.
I think my bet on the turn could have made the third player fold middle or bottom pair, although I don't know. If so and the king hadn't come, that might have won me the pot, as king-high would have been good. But I realize this isn't usually the case. The pot was pretty big, so wondered if betting again in an effort to get a low pair to fold, is a viable reason to take another shot at the turn when it's three handed. Some of these loose passive opponents will call the flop with almost anything, and then muck on the turn if you "show you are really serious" by betting again. Another interesting decision would have been what to do on the river, if I still end up with K-high.
As is the case with all things in poker, it depends. Probably 90% of players in low stakes are classified as loose-passives, which means they simply don't fold often enough. Good news for us, is they also don't bet often enough when they should, which means we can realize our draws and reach showdown more cheaply when we choose.
If you bet the turn and are trying to fold out better, don't expect these kinds of players to fold Qx/Tx on this board. Even 4x calls a lot, because they put you on A-high, or just want to see the river and spike a 4. The range I would target with a bet would specifically be A-high (no draw), and small pp's. AK/AJ isn't folding. We also can value bet our king high against some weaker hands, such as J9 and any other cheese our opponent's might peel with (e.g. 65s).
So if you think your opponent will peel one but not two with a large enough range, a turn bet as merit. Against two opponents, you're just not going to get that to happen often enough.
In some situations, if you are instead first to act with 1 or 2 players to act behind you, I might bet, with the reason that they'll (correctly) value bet with their bottom/mid pair when checked to, so I only gain fold equity. This depends on how often they check behind, or defer to raising the turn, etc.