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07-01-2015 , 02:44 PM
V1 (Lag) opens up from UTG+1, V2 MP (LAG/fish) calls, Hero 3! From HJ with A10, V3 (average player) from button cold calls, V1 Capps and all call.

Flop: QK6 (17.5sb)

V1 fires, V2 raises, Hero calls??, V3 calls, V1 3!, V2 4!, Hero and V all call.

Turn: 3 (33.5sb)

V1 fires, V2 raises, hero? (19BB)

If the turn had been a my decision to call or raise would be very simple. The turn didn't pair the board which is good but are we still calling with all of this action for a plain guy shot to the Nuts?
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07-01-2015 , 03:39 PM
Flop is fine with the gutter ball and backdoor diamonds.

I'm folding to the turn raise.
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07-01-2015 , 03:43 PM
Fold pre, as played fold turn.

You're dominated too often pre.
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07-01-2015 , 03:46 PM
lol no at folding PF.


At least cold call
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07-01-2015 , 04:17 PM
Fold turn, well played. If turn is a diamond, call.
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07-02-2015 , 12:14 PM
I like pre flop.

I would fold the flop.
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07-02-2015 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
I like pre flop.

I would fold the flop.
Please elaborate more on why you would fold the flop???
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07-02-2015 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Maganda's Big Fish
Please elaborate more on why you would fold the flop???
We can analyze this hand much better if we have some ranges....UTG +1 cap, MP call, Button call etc.

I'm assuming UTG+1 isn't necessarilly bad. I'm putting him on a slightly wide but not crazy cap range.

If I thought it would just cost me two bets on the flop I would call. However, with a lag capping then c betting and then another lag raising its starting to appear this hand could get costly. This flop pretty much smacks everybody's range. I'm not feeling great about hitting an Ace on the turn. Basically, I feel like there will be some RIO and reverse domination issues. Our position is not good and we may be forced into some tough spots due to the elevated pot size.

I haven't officially analyzed this. I think the flop call is close at best. This just feels like a spot that is not going to end well.
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07-02-2015 , 07:53 PM
You have 4 outs to Broadway and the back door nut flush draw. You cannot fold the flop.
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07-02-2015 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
You have 4 outs to Broadway and the back door nut flush draw. You cannot fold the flop.
It's a lot closer than you may think... Let's assume we feel flop is gonna get capped a lot, we're getting roughly 7.5-1 on our call, if it doesn't get capped 6-1, for a spot that were prob gonna have 15% equity in.

How the implied odds will obviously make up for a lot, but the real question is how often we have to take two to the face or fold the turn. If we down how knew the turn would go bet raise we would have easy flop fold, if we know it will go bet call, we have easy flop call,

So if players are hyper agro, or have other characteristics that lead you into thinking flop will get raised a lot, j could see a flop fold
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07-02-2015 , 09:49 PM
What happens on the turn is irrelevant to the flop call. We are calling all bets on flop trying to turn Broadway or a diamond.

Can't fold.
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07-02-2015 , 09:49 PM
We don't know it will be capped either.
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07-03-2015 , 06:33 AM
Hero ended up calling and J:hearts: hit the river for the nuts and was able to squeeze another 7BB from villians making a very nice pot.

Last edited by Maganda's Big Fish; 07-03-2015 at 06:38 AM.
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07-03-2015 , 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Maganda's Big Fish
Hero ended up calling and J hit the river for the nuts and was able to squeeze another 5BB from villians making a very nice pot.
You kill the discussion every time you post the results. Results don't matter. What matters is making correct decisions whenever you're faced with them.

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07-03-2015 , 09:32 AM
Congrats on winning the hand.


It's good you post hands because you will learn things from them.

There are players here that have been playing LHE for ten years now.
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07-03-2015 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Maganda's Big Fish
Hero ended up calling and J:hearts: hit the river for the nuts and was able to squeeze another 7BB from villians making a very nice pot.
Results are irrelevant, don't post them. How did you get 7BB of action on the river?
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07-03-2015 , 05:44 PM
They didn't see the str8 and ended up getting my river bet capped by and action player and strung along another player showing a set of Q's
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07-03-2015 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
What happens on the turn is irrelevant to the flop call. We are calling all bets on flop trying to turn Broadway or a diamond.

Can't fold.
it matters when people stove the hand, think they have 15% equity and play accordingly
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