I noticed not a lot of new hands get posted. If I am putting too many up, let me know and I'm happy to dial it back. I've been a long time forum poster at Cardrunners and understand the deal.

Hand #1:

V1 has called 2 cold then another two cold pf with J9s. He has been passive and called with a wide variety of weak suited cards pre and post flop. I have not seen him raise in an hour. He is running g00000t and up 100 or so.

V2 just sat down. He is younger. He has raised preflop a couple times but I have not seen him showdown yet.

I have KJo and open in MP. V1 on the button calls 2 cold. V2 completes in BB.

Flop AKJr V2 checks, I bet, V1 and V2 both call.
Turn is an A
I bet when V2 checks, V1 folds, V2 c/r I fold V1 folds


Hand 2:

I open Q9s in MP and same two players call. V2 completes in SB or BB. I don't remember. V1 flats 2 in LP.

982ss

V2 leads, I call (I wanted to keep in weaker draws from the splashy V1 instead of isolating V2. I had not seen him lead and felt he was strong here based on my "gut"). V1 calls.

Turn is a total brick. Don't remember what
V2 bets, I call, V1 calls

River is the Qo giving me top two.
V2 bets, I raise, V1 folds, V2 calls.

Hand 1 - nice hand. On the turn, you get counterfeited, but take a stab at it anyway, which seems reasonable since you should have several big A's and big pairs in your range. When you get c/r'ed, time to give up.

Hand 2 - normally I would raise the flop. If V1 is that bad, he very well might call 2 with a weak draw. Question - do you have Q9ss and have the flush draw too?

Correct. I have TPGK and the queen high flush draw of the flop

Hand 1 is fine. If you were closing the action (which you were not), you should consider calling down against an unknown, though.

Hand 2 raise the flop, for obvious reasons. As played, the rest of the hand is fine though.

If I raise the flop and get 3b, would my hand be strong enough heads up to cap? Given this run out, I would default to call a 3b, call turn and raise river assuming he kept the lead

Hand one seems okay. Bet-folding seems fine but checking back turn and calling river costs the same and gets you to showdown. The only bad free cards are Qs and Ts so protecting your hand and value betting are probably less important than getting to showdown. If you're willing to spend $8 bet-folding, why not just check turn and call river to get to showdown for the same price? If blank hits river and it checks to you again I'd feel comfortable VBing.

Not raising flop in hand two is pretty bad with TPGK+FD. After flatting flop though I'm definitely raising a blank on the turn and possibly showing down UI on the river and possibly betting my one pair hand hulta.

I think your hand is plenty good enough to cap flop.

Points well taken on hand two. Thanks for the input. If I cap flop, would I be prepared to cap turn as well if led in to? That feels like too much action.

I did not expect to be c/r in hand one and was more concerned about protecting in a reasonable sized 3 way pot. I would expect an ace to lead out tbh

As I noted, protecting your hand doesn't seem crucial in that spot.

Hand 2 I think capping turn UI is pretty ambitious and probably spewy.

Hand 2: If you cap flop; don't improve on turn and still get led into I'd expect you to be behind and so capping turn is almost certainly going to be spew...Another poss reason for raising flop is that it gets you position for the rest of hand...or is V1 so passive it doesn't matter?

V1 is going to play so straightforward I am not concerned. I saw him raise one time post flop and he played lots of pots. If I cap flop, I am betting for value and not making a free card play right?

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How often had you seen him donk flop?

If you raise and he 3-bets, I'd still cap it off whether it was HU or 3-ways. If the flop gets capped and your HU on the turn UI I'd probably check back since you're unlikely ahead of a passive player's flop 3-betting range. Even so, if you think you are unlikely to get check-raised betting is still fine.

V2 was a new player. I had seen him take a couple aggressive actions and he was the same player who c/r in hand 1. I had not seen him donk yet

I think Capping flop heads up hand 2 is quite bad, 3 ways is fine
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It can't possibly be that bad - if at all.

I don't know if I'd quite say "quite bad" (I'd probably say "not the best play"), but I agree with the substance-- I cap this 3 ways and just call the 3-bet heads up.

I think you can safely assume 12 clean outs here - you can't pair the board with a flush card and the 9 probably improves him more - so you are a little less than 50% to improve by the river. Capping flop is only marginally bad if you have the worst hand heads up - and probably correct if your hand is ever good or the cap gets you a free card.

In other words, raising flop is automatic but the difference between capping or calling a 3-bet on the flop is so small it hardly merits discussion. If I have good control over my opponent I'm capping 100% here.

Hand 1 is standard. I hate KJo in that spot pf but anything besides raising is bad. And I agree that the flop is an easy raise in hand 2.

If I'm capping flop a big reason why would be that I think I could get a free card. If you can't get a free card, then you're just putting more money in the pot when you're behind.

A straighforward, passive player just 3-bet. Why would we think capping the flop is for value?

If we do make a free card play in this spot then it's risky at best IMO.


No.

It's hardly risky - at most it costs us a fraction of a small bet. Oh no!

Hand 1: I can check my K2 (OK it isn't exactly K2 but you get the point.) OTT here

Hand 2: raise bet bet with unchanged action.

I think counting 12 outs is too optimistic against this opponent. I think two pair and sets are a big part of his range. A lot of passive players that I've played against play meekly when they have top pair and get raised.

hand 1 - check/fold turn
hand 2 - fold preflop. as played, raise flop

Hand 2: I like raising the flop just calling down if 3 bet on the flop and raising if I hit against all but bad spewy overaggressive players. Against them I call the flop 3 bet and raise most turns.

your in solid raise call territory OTF

Board: 9h8s2s

Range 1: Qs9s
Range 2: 2c2d

Equity 1: 31.010% Win 1: 31.010% Tie 1: 0.000%
Equity 2: 68.990% Win 2: 68.990% Tie 2: 0.000%

Board: 9h8s2s

Range 1: Qs9s
Range 2: AcAd

Equity 1: 50.707% Win 1: 50.707% Tie 1: 0.000%
Equity 2: 49.293% Win 2: 49.293% Tie 2: 0.000%

your in solid bet/call territory OTT

Board: 9h8s4c2s

Range 1: Qs9s
Range 2: AcAd

Equity 1: 31.818% Win 1: 31.818% Tie 1: 0.000%
Equity 2: 68.182% Win 2: 68.182% Tie 2: 0.000%