3 people limp, I throw in 2 chips with 62s in the SB, and BB checks. She is old and russian. I would describe her as tight and straightforward but not particularly passive.

Flop 962r. I bet, BB raises, one of the limpers calls, I 3bet, BB 4bets, limper calls, I call.

Turn Jr. I check, BB bets, limper calls, I raise, and BB now 3bets. Limper thinks for a bit and folds, and I call.

River 2. I donk intending to call a raise.

I don't think you pulled ahead of anything. I check call.

Seems fine.

i think i'd play all 4 streets differently.

I would just c/c the turn because I don't think you're ahead very often.

I would c/r the river.

Folding pre would be bad.

we may disagree on this, but i'd have to think about it some more. that's why i said, "i think i'd play every street differently." however, i know i would play flop, turn, and river differently.

On the river, I pull ahead of J9 and 69 and she can no longer have 22. I figure I now lose only to 92 and 66 (she would raise 99 or JJ pre) and would hate to have her check back a hand that is now counterfeited

I think folding pre is absurd getting 9:1, but I am open to more specific thoughts about flop/turn.

Its not just the immediate price, but also that our implieds are twice as big.

the hand has playability issues, we're not closing the action, and we have to act first on subsequent streets, so i wouldn't go so far as to say folding pre is "absurd." but 9:1 is a lot.

i'm not sure what munga means by, "our implieds are twice as big."

i'd rather k/r flop (one of the limpers is bound to bet this board and we protect our vulnerable hand better with a k/r).

as played, i think i'd rather donk/call turn (this is commerce 20 land of the flop free card play).

as played, i would start by checking the river.

i don't think i'd raise the turn. and then i'd probably go for a x/r on the river, after x/c'ing turn.

Flop is an easy donk. Not sure why so many people like to x/r. Decent chance it gets checked around. Donking also lets us b/3b.

Turn is tricky. How often does she have 78 or TT+? I like call down. When you x/r and get 3b, its an easy fold since you have have between 0-2 outs, bad visibility, OOP, RIO.

I think it's more likely that she didn't raise 99 preflop than she went nuts with J9 on the flop.

Bet/3-betting the turn with 96 or 92 is pretty aggressive. At some point she's got to put you on a set, and for most people that's the c/r on the turn.

P.s. The flop bet is not a donk. It's just a lead. I c/r(/4) at higher stakes, b/3 at lower stakes.

Can you expand on this? Why would you play it differently at hi/low stakes?

At low stakes, people will call all sorts of ridiculous hands, e.g., J3o (over and a straight draw ldo), and check a lot of weak made hands, e.g., 65s. You don't need to worry about your checking range being super duper weak when you bet all your good hands, because people won't exploit.

At higher stakes, people will fold those ridiculous hands, bet weak made hands, and rage call you down because they know you bluff. They will also punish your checks if your checking range is 90% DIMH.

Sorry for not being more clear. We are putting in a half bet instead of a whole one. But in either case we are playing for whole and double bets later in the hand. So in the former case, those wholes and doubles are relatively "twice as big" because our initial cost is half as much.

Once again, it isn't a flop donk. A donk is a lead INTO A RAISER. There is no pre-flop raiser here. OP was not donking. He was leading out. As he should. He flopped bottom 2 pair on a dry board-- if there's ANY hand you want to lead out, it's this one.

But I just x/c the turn. 4 bets on the flop is exactly how much action I put in with this hand.

A river donk-call is fine, if obvious. I x/r-call the river though.

PS: I can't believe anyone's criticizing pre-flop. It's 40 percent of a straight flush (as Phil Laak likes to say) and we are getting 9 to 1.

i don't think this matters or is relevant.

getting 9:1 we are probably forced to play this hand, but it's not going to be fun for us very often.

Ever play nl?

not often.

we're getting 9:1. why does it matter that we're only putting in half of a small bet? that doesn't change that we're getting 9:1 and should play hands accordingly.

the situation we're in is not similar to a spot in NL where say we open 67s from the HJ and get 3bet by the button when we're both deep. we clearly wouldn't have the best hand and would not immediately be getting the correct price to call, but could call because when we make a big hand post flop, we can sometimes get his whole stack.

i understand implied odds. the OP isn't an implied odds situation. our immediate odds dictate that we should call and try to realize our equity.

either way, it doesn't matter because we both now agree that we should call pre.

OK, I changed my mind about the river as played.

As I said, I would have x/c'd the turn, which means I would have x/r'd the river.

But having put in another bet on the turn, I think this is the predicament here:

Villian potentially has hands that we can get value from (J9, 96) which may check behind. OTOH, Villain has other hands that crush us and will raise the river.

In a smaller pot, with a worse hand, this is the dynamic where you bet/fold. But our hand is too strong to fold. Which means, I think the river is a x/c.

Nope

What I hate about donking the river is that I'm not sure what hands of hers we beat slow down here (unless of course, we donk it). She will bet J9/J6. Maybe 96 checks back, I guess.

Edit: re-read the action. I'd be surprised if she was weaker than J9 here. I'd figure her range to be J9/66. I x/R because I'm not even sure 66 3-bets after all this action.

J9 (and J6) are highly unlikely, as villain 4 bet the flop.

I can understand maybe donking the turn, as our two pair is good against A9 and 87. Looks like a bit too much action.