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06-03-2012, 02:35 AM
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newbie
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 49
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AKs in sidepot
$4/8 game. This is kind of embarrassing for me to post because I should know this, but here goes:
I have AK of clubs on button. Woman in early position limps, 2nd woman calls, I raise. Big blind 3 bets and says "I'm all in," even though he still has 2 chips left. First woman calls, 2nd woman calls. I want to cap but don't know if I can, because the 3-bettor only has 2 chips left. I should have just asked the dealer "can I cap?" but felt like an idiot for not knowing. So I just called.
So, asking you guys: After the big blind 3-bet to $12, and only had $2 left behind, was I allowed to cap it? Or by rule do I have to call because the last raise was put in by someone with less than a full bet left? I know that is really stupid and basic but I do not know the answer.
Anyway, flop comes 3 low cards, with only one club. The big blind tosses out his last 2 chips. Both women call. I tossed two chips in also. Should I have raised here? I didn't really see the point, seeing as I only had overcards and a backdoor club draw, and was still confused by the previous street.
Turn was another club. The two women checked, and so did I. Is this an automatic bet? I remembered someone saying never bet into a dry side pot, but never really understood what they were talking about.
River was a 3rd club, giving me the nuts. They both checked and I bet. One of them called, I showed, she mucked as did BB.
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06-03-2012, 07:49 AM
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old hand
Join Date: May 2012
Location: 15 miles to the love shack.
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Re: AKs in sidepot
I'd just go ahead and try to cap it preflop. If they make me take it back then meh, but I think you can here because the 3 bet was complete. Reads on the limpers would help. Will they chase a pair in a dry sidepot? I'd probably bet the flop if the board was uncoordinated like 249 rainbow, but not if it was 356(any 4 is flipping against AK) or had a flushdraw(any flushdraw is flipping against AK). On the turn I'd check as played or if I bet the flop. River is easy.
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06-03-2012, 10:24 AM
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adept
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Baby, you've got a stew going.
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You can definitely cap PF since the 3! was a complete bet. Even if the 3! put him all in, you could still cap.
I think flop and turn are ok, but as Bob said reads would help. I don't like playing by general rules such as "Don't bet into a dry side pot." Sometimes that's a good idea, and sometimes it isn't.
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06-03-2012, 03:47 PM
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enthusiast
Join Date: May 2012
Location: in an RV
Posts: 81
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Re: AKs in sidepot
Yes you can cap preflop. In most casinos even if he 3-bets light you can cap as long as it's a half bet or more - so if you raise (8 chips), and he raises all-in but only has 2 extra chips (10 chips total), then you can cap - but it will be 2 chips short - so 14 chips cap. If he goes all in and it's only 1 more chip (9chips total) then you can only call the 1 chip back to you. If he can fully 3 bet and has 2 chips behind, then 4-bet it, and there will be a side pot with 2 chips from each of the other players.
As played you played it ok. Consider this though - if you can get the other players to fold hands like Kj QJ JT 9T, etc.. or even 22, or 33 to lay down on the turn, and all-in guy has a non-pair hand and the river is a blank that doesn't pair all-in guy, then you saved the main pot for yourself unimproved - so there is sometimes a benefit to betting the side pot - in that it can save you the main pot.
It's situational of course, but when you have a draw to the nuts and 2 overcards it's not a bad place to bet anyway, as you have a lot of outs.
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06-04-2012, 05:05 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
Posts: 2,082
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Re: AKs in sidepot
Preflop - Any place I've played, you are allowed to cap, even if the last raiser doesn't have enough chips to cover your raise.
Flop - fine. Raising doesn't make any sense with 3 opponents and one all in.
Turn - It would not make sense to bet this turn with only one card to come and one player all in. I can see never bluffing into a dry side pot, but I bet into dry side pots all the time. In this case you are drawing, and there are not enough players who could call your turn bet to make it +EV.
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06-04-2012, 07:03 PM
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Most interesting man on 2p2
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Not deserving of an undertitle
Posts: 9,843
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Re: AKs in sidepot
When in doubt in a m-way pot, cap. They'll return your chips if you've made an error, but in this case they'll just make the bb toss his remaining chips. There are a number of low card flops I'd bet with two live villains, but with some, I'd take the freebie.
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06-04-2012, 09:28 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 49
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Re: AKs in sidepot
Thanks a lot, guys. Your comments really helped me clarify things.
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06-05-2012, 04:43 AM
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adept
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: 'murrcah.
Posts: 796
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Re: AKs in sidepot
Just shovel in the monieZ.
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06-06-2012, 10:57 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Posts: 3,712
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wbatas
Just shovel in the monieZ.
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Kinda what I was thinking ....
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06-06-2012, 03:02 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,287
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Re: AKs in sidepot
Cap PF, but I like rest as played.
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06-13-2012, 11:42 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: niterlande
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Re: AKs in sidepot
it depends on the house but usually you can complete the partial bet if it is less than half. If more you can raise
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