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Originally Posted by MApoker
Where I am now
So I’ve been playing 6-12 at Oaks for 450 hours now, and I’m beating it at 1.14 BB/hr with fairly generous tipping. About 100 hours ago, I went through a downswing that compelled me to plug a few leaks, and since then I’ve been killing the game for > 4 BB/hr (with some rungood obviously, not that I expect to sustain that long term.) When I sit down, I feel supremely confident, like I can dominate the table; I have a good read on most of the regulars, and I am rarely surprised at what happens in a hand.
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Don't generously tip. $1/wining hand is sufficient.
100 hours or 450 hours or 650 hours, those are relatively puny sample sizes. For all you know you could be running as hot as the sun and an expert might have beat that entire stretch of hands for 3 BB/hr instead of 1.14. Try not to draw any conclusions about your overall ability or how well your plugged your leaks based on these results until you get into the multiple thousands of hours at least. In the meantime, focus on anaylzing things based on scenario by scenario decisions. As they say, it's all about decisions, not results.
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For those who don’t play at Oaks, most 15-30 players are a quantum leap above 6-12 players. There are typically 2-4 players to a flop (compared with 3-7 players in 6-12), and the pots are a lot smaller. Whereas 6-12 tables often have at least four or five really bad/mediocre players, a typical 15-30 table may have only one or two. There are often one or two 30-60 regs or solid props at the table, and the remaining players tend to be comparatively solid. (I’m told there are times when 15-30 plays like 3-6, but I haven’t been lucky enough to sit then.)
So I need to make some changes. I have some specific ideas in terms of preflop play already, but I don’t want to reveal them b/c several posters here are 15-30 Oaks players! I’m more looking for advice on improving my postflop play.
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It sounds like a lot of the problems you have moving up should be worked out in 6-12. If you are having trouble in 15-30, I think it's because you haven't learned proper poker fundamentals yet. Real talk, the Oaks 15 is LOLEZ for most MSLHE pros. Even if the player pool is "tougher" than 6-12 (which in the Oaks 15 it just mostly means somewhat tighter and somewhat more aggressive), you should already have come in with those skills that you listed which would allow you to adapt.
To put it bluntly, if you can't construct hand ranges, then you can't really hand read, and if you can't read hands, you really shouldn't be moving up in limits. That's a super basic fundamental for mid-stakes and poker overall. Think of it like kind of learning how to hit a baseball, then deciding to join a league and realizing you don't know how to throw a ball. Except, every time you needed to throw the ball, you lost $30.
I think you are looking for some overall advice that will help ease the transition between limits--and that DOES exist for people who have solid poker fundamentals. But in reality, based on what you've described, what you need is more actual, solid poker knowledge. And that comes from a lot more studying/learning/thinking.
So my advice is to stick with 6-12 till you can do the things you listed. If you plan on learning on the fly in the 15, that's fine....but just make sure you have a lot of money because you should expect to be paying for your lessons.
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