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8/16 playing a bit to passsive with TPGK 8/16 playing a bit to passsive with TPGK

09-11-2015 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by lawdude
The big issue is exactly this, even more than the equity. Broadway cards are extremely easy to play out of position in a multiway pot when you are the pre-flop raiser.

I raise KJ and check 88 in this situation. It's not simply the equity. The 88 is hard to play, the KJ is easy.

Having said that, I raise this 100 percent of the time. Basically, if you are in a game where several people limp in and you get to exercise your option in the BB, that's really all the information you need. You'd need a special case (e.g., the first limper's range is AA-KK and is 100 percent limp-re-raises) for me not to raise this.
I like this. Thanks for the feedback
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09-12-2015 , 05:56 PM
Personally, I would not raise KJo off preflop from the BB against this many opponents, but it is close. What I think is way too passive is not betting the flop.

I would bet the flop. I might 3 bet a late position raise. It depends on my reads on the player. For example, if I thought he would raise a diamond draw, perhaps to get a free turn card, I would 3 bet.
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09-13-2015 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeca
Personally, I would not raise KJo off preflop from the BB against this many opponents, but it is close. What I think is way too passive is not betting the flop.

I would bet the flop. I might 3 bet a late position raise. It depends on my reads on the player. For example, if I thought he would raise a diamond draw, perhaps to get a free turn card, I would 3 bet.
If we didn't raise preflop, betting this flop is bad when we can likely get a check raise in. This hand benefits greatly from the opportunity to face hands with two cold.
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09-13-2015 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
If we didn't raise preflop, betting this flop is bad when we can likely get a check raise in. This hand benefits greatly from the opportunity to face hands with two cold.
And this hand is harmed greatly when the flop gets checked through.

Don't say things like "bad" about plays that aren't actually bad. Say "I prefer a check-raise". Save "bad" for plays that you can actually demonstrate to be -EV. This is a problem I have with a lot of stuff on 2 plus 2.

If you don't raise pre-flop, leading out and check-raising are both perfectly reasonable plays. (Of course, I would raise pre-flop and bet.)
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09-23-2015 , 06:51 PM
I don't think I'm ever raising pre in this spot, but it's an interesting consideration and it's pretty difficult to argue against it with the provided data. Postflop I actually like the thought process of trying to check-raise a LP bettor, knowing he's overly aggressive, otherwise I'd just lead. As played, if I'm continuing, I'm three-betting 100% and bet-folding the turn against typical opponents (IIRC we have no diamond). With the turn checking through, I think betting is fine - and I would never expect to win when I get called in 3-4 spots on the river!
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09-23-2015 , 07:57 PM
i am never raising this hand pf oop 5-6 way, this is not a great hand multiway, i rather have TJs if i would have to raise.

it is all clean and nice, i have an edge equity wise but it is preflop, pretty far away from the river with bad position to realize our edge.
we are far from sure to hit the flop favorably and with absolutely no chance of taking a free card, see free SD or folding vs raises because we always be the first to talk.

I rather check flop and c/r favorable flop.
As well pot is smaller so they will make bigger msitake when they chase ( and they will).
IMO we just save a bunch by not raising because we are already in the hand and we will often miss and loose more because being oop it cost more when we loose.

ps:BTW bad player do limp strong hand like AK s,AA,KK,etc. trying for the limp reraise or knlowing its multiway they see TT,JJ weak because so often higher card hit and they get outdraw they would not raise those when they are like the 4th caller.
So disregrading fully all the strong hand i kinda disagree. they are all bad it seem ,arent they ?

Last edited by Montrealcorp; 09-23-2015 at 08:06 PM.
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