8/16 Live - Semi Bluff sorta makes it there.. bet? - Page 2 - Small Stakes Poker Forum

crueleye · 06-22-2012, 01:34 PM

Calling your turn raise does not automatically mean 2pr or better.

As Bob said previously, a lot of hands that have you beat should have 3 bet the turn.

He could easily have TPTK/GK and show down.

jdr0317 · 06-22-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by crueleye

Calling your turn raise does not automatically mean 2pr or better.

As Bob said previously, a lot of hands that have you beat should have 3 bet the turn.

He could easily have TPTK/GK and show down.

+1

kickingbird · 06-22-2012, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by crueleye

Calling your turn raise does not automatically mean 2pr or better.

As Bob said previously, a lot of hands that have you beat should have 3 bet the turn.

He could easily have TPTK/GK and show down.

When you say TPTK you mean AQ/AK, GK would fall under the range of 789 in this case, and I really doubt he's calling down with those two.. against a turn raise. I know it's opponent dependent, but in most cases most people would lay down Ace good kicker here against a raise.. wouldn't you say? (or is this another one of my leaks).

jdr0317 · 06-22-2012, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kickingbird

When you say TPTK you mean AQ/AK, GK would fall under the range of 789 in this case, and I really doubt he's calling down with those two.. against a turn raise. I know it's opponent dependent, but in most cases most people would lay down Ace good kicker here against a raise.. wouldn't you say? (or is this another one of my leaks).

Depends on the player, against an aggro player, I'd find it hard to lay down TPGK here. Against a passive player, it's possibly a turbo muck.

timmer · 06-22-2012, 06:16 PM

I kinda like the way you played it if you both bet, raise and semi bluff raise the turn.

that is if you are truly balanced in the way you play the turn I like it .

in as much I like the river bet it smacks of value and C bluff but is strong enough to win more than its fair share when it gets called. you shouldn't get raised unless the turn was a slow played monster. but there is enough deception to your play that you probably should call a river raise from a player who is bewildered or punchy enough to fight back. however if he is tight and timid I would tend to think strongly about folding to this raise

jdr0317 · 06-22-2012, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by timmer

I kinda like the way you played it if you both bet, raise and semi bluff raise the turn.

that is if you are truly balanced in the way you play the turn I like it .

in as much I like the river bet it smacks of value and C bluff but is strong enough to win more than its fair share when it gets called. you shouldn't get raised unless the turn was a slow played monster. but there is enough deception to your play that you probably should call a river raise from a player who is bewildered or punchy enough to fight back. however if he is tight and timid I would tend to think strongly about folding to this raise

Good line against good players, but against $8/$16 live players? You should be making EV plays against them.

JayTeeMe · 06-25-2012, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kickingbird

Live 8/16 - game is loose passive, lot of limping, etc..

Villain in this hand is young, maybe mid twenties, clean cut, seems to be decent, but saw him limp with some premium hands.. he is a table change.. got the feeling he's been getting his you know what pushed in at the other table.. been running the same for the time he sat down here.. saw him get rivered a few times in decent size pots.. and seen him have to lay down a few times on the turn to raises..

1 limper, villain limps, I limp behind in mp with A

4

, button joins the party, sb and bb call.

Flop

A

10

2

check to villain, he bets, i call. button calls, bb calls.

Turn

J

Villain bets, I raise.

Folds to villain who calls.

River

4

Villain checks. I bet.

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Is the river a check here?

Raise the flop. It's 6 handed. Knock people out.

Call the turn. How many people bet the flop and b/f the turn on a non-terrible card? Plus, I think overcalls from the other 2 villians are now a good thing with your draw.

No question you bet the river. Whether it's a b/c or b/f I'm not sure.

nonsimplesimon · 06-26-2012, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kickingbird

Live 8/16 - game is loose passive, lot of limping, etc..

Villain in this hand is young, maybe mid twenties, clean cut, seems to be decent, but saw him limp with some premium hands.. he is a table change.. got the feeling he's been getting his you know what pushed in at the other table.. been running the same for the time he sat down here.. saw him get rivered a few times in decent size pots.. and seen him have to lay down a few times on the turn to raises..

1 limper, villain limps, I limp behind in mp with A

4

, button joins the party, sb and bb call.

Flop

A

10

2

check to villain, he bets, i call. button calls, bb calls.

Turn

J

Villain bets, I raise.

Folds to villain who calls.

River

4

Villain checks. I bet.

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Is the river a check here?

Grunch
Pf is ok ... Folding isn't bad either...
Flop ... Ok
Turn ... Just call
River ... As played bc.

nonsimplesimon · 06-26-2012, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe

Raise the flop.

If he has a worse hand say JJ KT or A3 this would alarm him and he might even fold those (since he's capable of folding per ops read). If he has a better Ace or 2p we are value towning ourselves. We are only hoping to get value from a draw by raising. On this drysh board what is that? QJ or KJ? He might fold those to a turn bet since he's incorrectly putting his money in with a weak draw in such a small pot already... If he has a worse hand or draw I'd much rather have him bet those for me rather than raise and/or scare him out or pawn myself to a better hand. Same goes for the frivolous turn raise.

nonsimplesimon · 06-26-2012, 01:05 AM

I also want to add that had we just called ott I would probably raise fold the river if villain had cbet the river.