Live 8/16 - game is loose passive, lot of limping, etc..

Villain in this hand is young, maybe mid twenties, clean cut, seems to be decent, but saw him limp with some premium hands.. he is a table change.. got the feeling he's been getting his you know what pushed in at the other table.. been running the same for the time he sat down here.. saw him get rivered a few times in decent size pots.. and seen him have to lay down a few times on the turn to raises..

1 limper, villain limps, I limp behind in mp with A 4, button joins the party, sb and bb call.

Flop

A 10 2

check to villain, he bets, i call. button calls, bb calls.

Turn

J

Villain bets, I raise.

Folds to villain who calls.

River

4

Villain checks. I bet.

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Is the river a check here?

If I have a good image(tag) and the limpers would raise good hands then I raise preflop, but without that read I like the limp, especially since he limps premiums. I haven't stoved ranges for possible limp reraisers lately, but if he's tight passive enough I could find a fold on the turn if the spades didn't come in.

I call the flop and turn. I see no reason to try to get someone to fold a better ace. You shut out potential callers with your raise and charge yourself to draw when you're behind. You also cut down your implied odds for when you hit your flush by making people fold.

If there are other players in on the river I go for the overcalls. As played I bet for value and wtf call if raised(straight would've 3 bet the turn, 2 pair probably check calls with the possible straight out there, his range is bluff/fps straight.)

Raise the flop for value with your strong hand.

Why are you raising the turn? Yes, you picked up a strong draw but you only have one card to catch it. His betting twice into a mw field strengthens his range. The tipping point between better hands that fold and worse hands that call is quite high since you have a pair of Aces so there's not a lot of "bluff" in it as a semibluff.

River is a bet and call one if raised. You have a very strong hand and no reason to make a big fold in a moderately sized pot.

I don't like our kicker against someone who limps strong hands. I'm definitely betting if checked to, but is this described tight passive player leading with hands we beat? Ok maybe middle pair+broadway draw, but that's all I'm seeing that we beat. Limped pot, no overcards can come, the hands that we want to fold are not. The hands that we want to call are folding for the single bet(underpairs.) There are a ton of cards that can come and kill our hand. The board pairs and our kicker doesn't play. One card broadways. There are no flushdraws on the flop to charge. Sure, sometimes they'll all have a draw but i don't think that happens often enough to raise this flop.

I'm not raising the flop because my hand is not strong.

I raised the turn because I felt he would also fire out with A-56789 time hands, and there was a good chance he would fold to a raise, and I have outs to improve if not.

River, I am questioning my play.. especially since he called the turn raise.

Sounds like you lost the hand.

I wouldn't raise the flop vs. this villain, but I definitely am continuing the hand with TP and two runner runner draws.

I don't like this play at this time OTT. It's good to have in your arsenal but this pot is pretty protected. Villain has lead twice into a 4 way pot. You've seen him fold OTT before, but is he folding TPGK here? Also two other players in the pot increase the chance of someone lol slowplaying.

The river is a bet. He's might have mubs'ed with top two because he's been running so bad, but his most likely hand is a big Ace. Its probably an easy B/F too because he's been kinda foldy in the past.

The only thing clear cut in this hand is the river being a bet. The rest is all debatable to me.

Let's start with the flop.

Flop is pretty dry. Not sure what villain is betting that we beat. There is likely going to be enough in this pot to continue.

How do you play it?

I'm not sure what's the best line (isn't that what I said?). Does villian bet anything but top pair?. Does villian limp Ax?. If so then we may have about 4 outs getting 6:1 with everyone yet to act.

Preflop & flop are fine imo. Pot isn't so big that we gain a lot from having the field fold 4-5 outers on the flop when its not clear we're ahead of villain yet.

As played, I don't like a turn raise. As Bob said, your basically isolating yourself against the best hand with a draw. We benefit from villain's behind tagging along at this point, we don't want them to fold worse hands. Also, it sucks if we are 3-bet at any point.

I'm pretty much always betting this river, it really sounds like he had ace ten. But on the other topic here I think my standard line for this would be

Bet/call the flop

c/c turn

c/r river

I mean, why do we expect this flop to get bet?

This hand is why I hate playing Ace rag.

I'm not sure what the best action is on the flop. Definitely never raising. I think call is okay, but arguments can be made for folding as well.

Turn, I'm calling here. I'd rather have other players flat behind me in this spot, since I'll have the nuts if the 3, 5, or 6 of spades spikes, a monster if any other spade hits, and a strong hand if the 4 comes. I might even be good if the Ace comes, since it totally makes sense for villain to have TT or 22 given the limping going on (though after just calling your re-raise, seems unlikely he'd have a set on that dry board). Raise seems kind of weird, since I'm not sure what leads out with 6 ways OTF that you can get to fold here (there's no way you'd limp KQ in this late a position).

River, mega easy bet.

Call flop. A turn 2-5 or is good for your hand and I think you can easily continue on any of these cards.
Call turn. I mean, if the guy really has been folding top pair to turn raises, then sure you can raise if it's 2-3 handed on the turn. But with callers behind you, I think calling the turn is best.
Bet river.

More I think about it, and after reading comments here, yes.. it seems the turn raise was a bad choice.

As played though, the river is still a bet?

Considering he called the turn raise, wouldn't you expect him to hold some mighty powerful cards? Two hands that he would call that we beat are AQ/AK (yes I believe there is a good chance he would have limped with those), not sure if he would have called Ace-rag against a turn raise.

On a board this dry, he could easily see you as a spaz who jams his flush draws in the wrong spot. I don't see why he can't be holding showdown-able hands that you beat, and tossing an ace out OTT seems particularly MUBSy vs most players.