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08-26-2014 , 01:36 PM
I am getting back into LHE after a long lay off playing NLHE. Any input is appreciated. thanks

Game is playing fairly loose but mostly passive at this point (8/16 LHE)

EP limps, I raise in MP with AdQd, two in position calls, 2 oop calls

5 handed (10bb) 335r

check, I bet, 1 IP call 1 OOP call

turn 6r

check, I check (is this a bet again? my thought is the six hits plenty of garbagey draws that were hanging around. maybe it's still a bet to protect/ get value with my aq)

river Qr bet, I call (too thin to raise or was a sissy?) IP player folds.

Results after discussion
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08-26-2014 , 02:09 PM
b/f turn

as played river call is good
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08-26-2014 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by KitCloudkicker
b/f turn

as played river call is good
if called on the turn, is river also a b/f? Does it matter if I'm facing a c/r or an ip raise on the river?
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08-26-2014 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by epdog2005
if called on the turn, is river also a b/f? Does it matter if I'm facing a c/r or an ip raise on the river?
if you get called on the turn it depends who calls and how many calls you get, but generally check UI. the general rule is to not bet unimproved ace high on the river in LHE on ragged boards, because you arent getting called by worse or folding better.

you bet the turn, however, because you often still have the best hand and want to both charge people to draw as well as protect your hand.
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08-26-2014 , 06:13 PM
I usually bet that turn and am not sure it's right. I'd raise the river for sure.
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08-26-2014 , 06:34 PM
I would bet turn. Many players of all stripes are calling flop, folding turn.

As played, raise river.
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08-26-2014 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jesse8888
I usually bet that turn and am not sure it's right. I'd raise the river for sure.
I think turn bet is good.

River depends on fishiness of guy behind. If he loves over calling with worse here, I think a call is fine. Else I'd raise
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08-26-2014 , 07:26 PM
to those that want to raise the river, why? no one has given their reasoning. do you think that either villain will call with a worse hand? what do you intend to do if you get raised?
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08-26-2014 , 07:53 PM
My thought on the turn was that card hits players with various garbage draws and gives them a pair. I think I can c/c a bet. Where I am not sure is that I think I get raised in this spot by these guys only if they have a straight or 3 exactly. These two players would not raise me with a turned top pair such as 67o. This makes me want to bet the turn instead of as played. With the line I took, if I raise I think I have to fold to a 3b because I do not think this player woudl b3b with a worse queen.

I had only played a couple hours and did not have solid reads beyond what I gave in the op. I think what they would raise turn or river with is relevant and I will include those next time when I post a hand.
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08-26-2014 , 08:25 PM
When the turn gets down to 3-handed, I typically bet there. You might get the guy behind you to fold, which is great for the river action. But I think most people call you since this board is so low. You'll get called by any 4x hand, and mid pair, and pretty much all hands with big cards. People are probably raising that turn with their trips and straights, but not with hands like 99 or 5x. I'd check behind the river if called here.

As played, I like the river call.
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08-26-2014 , 08:54 PM
id bet the turn and fold/call as an exploit vs player 1 (player 2 folds)

if Im sure P1 will fold I will bet fold /check call as an exploit vs player 2

so without a reliable tell or solid information I am betting this turn and playing exploitative poker thereafter, of course with wider ranges (asmmetrical weak) in the hands of my opponents I will default toward the more aggressive actions.

what does IPP do on the turn?

id kinda like a wide weak call from P2 on the river so vs 2 players OTR im leaning towards call despite card removal issues (fewer A's and Qs in opponent ranges making me best but gaining me fewer calls of a raise with worse hands) I.e. KQ and AK
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08-27-2014 , 11:50 PM
I think turn check is probably fine. I agree 6 improves a lot of calling hands and won't induce many folds.

However, if you check back turn and plan on calling river when a blank hits, you might as well bet-fold the turn and show down on river UI.

I think river is good spot to go for overcall instead of value-raise.

Last edited by TheDarkKnight; 08-27-2014 at 11:55 PM.
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08-28-2014 , 03:35 AM
Flop is low and dry. Reads are important. Some players only ever call dry flops with a pair+; some call with whatever overcards they have. That will dictate whether you bet turn check river UI, or check turn decide on river.
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08-28-2014 , 10:23 PM
I think betting the turn is a close decision. I don't think a better hand will fold, but worse hands will call.
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08-29-2014 , 10:33 PM
nh
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08-29-2014 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDarkKnight
I think turn check is probably fine. I agree 6 improves a lot of calling hands and won't induce many folds.

However, if you check back turn and plan on calling river when a blank hits, you might as well bet-fold the turn and show down on river UI.

I think river is good spot to go for overcall instead of value-raise.
I agree nothing wrong with turn check but vs passive players I like the
bet bet ter.
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