6/12 Live
Reads:
Lojack: TAG with leaks. Misses a lot of value on river, whines a lot. Strikes me as unimaginative but not brain dead. Willing to cbet flops multiway and check back turn. We've played a lot together and respect each others' play.
Hijack: loose-passive.
CO: me. My image is aggressive, unsure whether table thinks I'm loose or tight. Very active, shown down a lot of monsters to win pots.
BTN: loose-passive.
sb: old man, seems grumpy, likely retiree. Short stacked.
BB: old man, "the Professor". Likely defends blinds on the light side.

Lojack raises, Hijack cc's, BTN telegraphs a call, I decide to cold-call KQ, BTN calls, one of the blinds call. Pot~10 sb

Q1: Anyone prefer 3bet? (Dead money from blinds, postflop fold equity)

Flop: 973
Lojack bets, Hijack folds, I call, rest fold. Pot~12 sb

Q2: Anyone prefer folding? (Not closing the action, potentially dominated overs; contrast with bd sd/overs + position)

Turn: K
Lojack checks his cards and bets, I?

Q3: Decision seems to be call/call vs raise/bet-river vs raise/check-behind river. Obviously folding to a 3bet.

Thoughts? (I'm unsure whether he barrels AQ w/ a club here; I'm sure it's a nonzero % of the time. I'm also sure he doesn't 100% bet TT-QQ here either. I'm not sure whether he folds mid pairs to a river bet either; with my image, I think he'll look me up a reasonable % of the time.)

In other words....mooooooooo

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you guys sound like my 2 1/2 year old when we drive by a farm.

I would 3b raise pre.

ott I would suspect villain checked his ace to see if it had a club next to it. I'd raise here... likely folding to a 3b.

I think cold call is good preflop. I would imagine PFR's opening range to be on the snug side and this type of hand benefits from extra players in the pot. If the players behind you are so loose they'll often call 3! anyways, you could go ahead and 3-bet.

I peel the flop. I think describe villains behind us aren't the types to be aggressively putting raises on the flop, so I don't think were often risking more than 1 bet. One exception might be if SB only has like 2.5 SB left on the flop where he might just decided to jam in his last bets now and allow MP to 3-bet.

As played, I think Raise/Fold Turn is good.

3bet pre

always remember the first rule of poker: LAG in position, TAG oop.

id probably 3bet top 15% in this spot, maybe wider depending on opponents tendencies.

I raise, villain calls. River blanks off, he checks, I bet planning to fold to a raise. nh?

Should I be more willing to 3bet knowing the players behind me will fold, or if they're willing to call? My assessment for villain's range in this spot is something like 77-AA, ATs-AKs, KQ. I think he limps a lot of suited broadway type hands. So I think I'm behind villain's range; however, I have position and can leverage villain sometimes postflop (I'm willing to bluff A-hi out on ugly boards).

KCK, top 15% means 3! QJs? Do you cold-call with anything in this spot?

I have some questions that are potentially results oriented. Should I wait to ask them?

id 3bet with 76s a fair amount especially if i thought the opener was predictable and foldy. id probably cold call with small pockets.

KCK - does the first cold-caller weigh in on your 3bet range? I'm not sure whether to 3! 76s like it's the nuts or be more worried that i'll get gunned down by K-hi. I think if I 3! 76s, it might take 3 barrels a large % of the time (assuming TAG folds flop or turn) to make sure I don't lose to high cards the times I don't pair.

you have to consider the fact that your equity with 76s in this spot is never going to be that bad assuming you can see at least 4 cards and preferably 5. if you cold call pf you set yourself up to have to flop a pair or draw to continue past the flop such that alot of the equity of your hand shrinks. if you 3 bet pre more often than not you get to see more cards past the flop meaning you can turn or river draws and pairs that end up winning you the pot.

its also to your advantage if other players think you're an idiot.

Not sure if I agree with this entirely.

If we assume pot will often be 4-way+ if we 3-bet (I think an ok assumption given description,) we'll very likely have little FE and just have to make a hand at some point.

Your argument that by 3-betting pre you get to see more cards past the flop I'm not sure I totally buy. We see more cards past the flop because we've bloated the pot preflop and now have to see more turns/rivers with more marginal holdings because of the pot size. Cold calling pre and paying 1 bet on the flop costs us just as much as 3-betting pre and checking the flop, but in the former we get to see the flop before we make our decision.

Obviously there is more to it than just the above, but I think your argument is at least partially flawed.

Yes but in Kits example we get to put 3 bets in PF w/o being a huge equity dog, probably buy a four card flop, AND we get to balance our 3bet range PF a little bit.

It might not matter depending on our opponents and what our current image is, but I like it more if we've been forced to sit there and fold for the last hour.

Sounds like a good opportunity to mix up our play w/o having to be a huge equity dog to do so. Situational, of course.

maybe but thats not what i meant. people check to PFR's in live games almost 100% of the time. if you miss and the board is gross you can just check back and get a 4 card flop.

if the board comes down something like J28 you can choose to bluff or check behind and potentially turn a pair or draw. if you cold call pre and just fold to the PFR's cbet you give up substantial equity when the PFR has UI overs.

against most players on said board if you choose to bluff the flop, you now have numerous options on the turn depending on the card and the number of callers. again these options are not available to you if you choose the fit or fold route by cold calling pre.

You must beat over 50% of the hands he calls you with. So if he calls you with KJ, QQ, JJ then you may have a value bet.

On the other hand, if he sometimes folds KQ here then you have to bet.