Alright game. Nobody good. Nobody horrendous.

4 limps to me in BB, I check. (UTG+1,MP,CO,BTN)

Flop comes QT6r. I check, UTG+1 leads, all call.

Turn brings K. I lead called by two. (UTG+1 and CO)

River 2. I check, UTG+1 leads, I call, CO folded.

Should I have lead that turn? Should I also have lead the river as well?

Should check raise flop. Huge draw, I mean it's not even a semi bluff, you probably have way more than your fair share of equity on that flop.

Until I see evidence of limping AJ, KQ....I raise this PF.

As played, I c/r the flop.

Why didn't you bet the river?

Preflop is meh. I'm torn between raising and checking. Lead flop with intention of jamming, bet turn, bet river.
As played, I don't understand your line. You call the flop to donk the turn, just to donk check an innocuous river?

Turn donk is fine, checking river not so much

Yeah donk river nh
If you are ahead on the turn , the river changes nothing and if you do not bet, all better hand will bet and lot weaker hand will check behind, so you loose value when you c/c the river .
but by betting the river , better hand will not necessarily raise you , so it will cost you 1BB anyway since they will bet if you check

Not raising a hand like KJo is far from a disaster against passive limpers IMO. I see outrageous stuff all the time from passive players, like AQs limps in MP.

Flop action is perfect: 5 ways, massive, pristine 8 out draw that's always good, plus a K that's often good and a J that's sometimes good. You should check raise and love it.

Turn donk is fine as played v these players, but why wouldn't you bet the river? By check calling, you're just allowing EP to put a bet in only when his range is strong enough to do so on its own; Qx and JT get let off cheap (these are a big part of his range and they WILL call).

We can just fold if raised too.

How do we know the flop will be bet - so that we can raise. The flop checking through is a disaster.

Would suggest reading up on equity share.

Preflop there are 5 people -- if you think you have 20% equity at that point, you should strongly consider raising PF. A tool like equilab or propokertools.com can help greatly. It only accounts for "hot-cold" equity -- your equity if all hands get to showdown with no further bets -- but it's a good start.

On the flop it is the same situation. There are 5 people in the pot.With an OESD and two high cards, you have more than 20% equity. Even if UTG1 3bs and knock some people out, you will still have your fair share of equity. This is a must raise in LHE for value.

On the river, the important lesson is how to bet for value. Generally, if you bet and get called by worse more 50% of the time, it's a good value bet since you win that extra bet more often than you lose it. Remember your opponents are getting a wild price to call for a showdown -- something like 10-1 -- meaning they will call you down with very weak hands.

Really ?

Not only yes, but I'd judge a regular poorly if he paid off a river raise from a passive fish with one pair. This isn't the Internet, where someone sometimes just mashes the raise button.

Here's a better thing to say than just an overly confident statement: fine, what do we beat with KJ when we get raised on the river?

Yeah turn was the only street I thought I played fine. Its been a while since I played LHE so was rusty.

Check on the flop I was ok with game wasn't too too passive especially 5 ways. Someone has hit that board and is bound to bet most of the time.

Going to play again today. Will try to be more aggro with equity this time. Too used to online aggro NL games.

You need an extremely strong read to ever bet/call the river with any one pair hand on a three broadway board regardless of pot size.

This is like a limit Omaha high spot where you have top set and three people see the river and a flush card hits and the first guy bets. You dont need to payoff here (no matter what the pot size is, ignoring extreme hypotheticals). It's one of those spots where youre always beat.

I think bet calling could be best if it folds to the button and he raises. If anyone else raises, it's probably a safe fold live.

People don't put all their chips in the middle with 8 outs to the nuts 5 ways in NL? Weird game.

well I think I will play identical like OP.
But its just me

Like the turn, dislike all other streets.

Shortest posts are often the best.


Also I think people are overly critical of flop check call.

Couple factors that people don't take into acclunt when just doing hot/cold flop equity calcs. (1) we get to cr the big street with the nuts as opposed to leading...this extra bet often more than makes up for missed equity on flop, although less applicable in tbjs bkRd texture becusse we need an ace which doesn't guarantee turn bet and (2) the lost value when we donk check turn so everyken makes we have flush dfaw, except there isn't one Al it's obviously K-J and kills any further action on 9 or A river (so any equity we gain in flop we lose on River when tbjs can safely fold)


These concepts may not be as applicable at lower limit but just a point that merely doing hot-cold equity calcs doesn't always guarantee the best way to play a hand, although it's a. Good starting point

Also, I'm not saying don't check raise the flop, just calling isn't worst in world.