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03-05-2015 , 11:44 AM
The man to my immediate left is on a tear. He coldcalled my previous early position raise with 53o and rivered a straight. He coldcalled my previous middle position raise with 86o and rivered two pair. He coldcalled my previous middle position raise with 95s and rivered a flush. He also has dished out severe beatings to other players as well. He's playing something like 90%vpip/40%pfr/15%pf3b/80%pfcoldcall. He was down to the felt about an hour ago, but he's made an awesome comeback. Now, he's up to about $400. He has been seen bluff raising on numerous occasions, but that hasn't stopped him from doing everything in his power to win every pot. It's been fun to say the least. Interestingly, the rest of the table is playing their normal games of coldcalling the top 40% of hands and only 3 betting QQ+, with the exception of the man to my immediate right. He's somewhat of a tag, whose favorite hand seems to be 63s. It's the only hand I've ever seen him get outta line with in >10 hours of play over three sessions together. He's in the big blind for this hand.

I raise utg with 88, utg+1 calls, three loose passives call in position, blinds call.

8KKr

Checks to me, I bet, utg+1 calls, the rest fold.

2o

I bet, he calls.

T

I bet, he raises.

Now before you say "easy 3 bet," I'd like you to think about what hands make sense for him to play this way, and what that means for his overall strategy.

My thoughts:

Spoiler:
If he can have Kx here as well as bluff raises, then yeah I think it's an easy 3 bet and perhaps even 5 bet. The thing that bothers me about this hand though is that he can have basically every full house combo. He's probably folding his bluffs to a 3 bet and 4 betting anything better, although I do not know this for certain. He may have the 4 bet bluff in his arsenal. At game speed, I decided that if he can have a full house here on the river, then he's probably bad enough to have naked Kx here as well. The latter likely outweigh the former. Plus, he just may 4 bet bluff. So I 3 bet intending to call down a 4 bet.
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03-05-2015 , 12:06 PM
The turn was heads up (he had no reason to go for over calls)? That's actually a pretty strong reason to just call. Combo wise it sounds like he can only have K2s (which is one or two combos), 6 combos of TT (perhaps should be discounted), and two combos of K8 that beat you. You need to weigh this against some fudgery of how many KX combos he has (infinity) times the chances he will not raise the turn with them (zero), and conjure a number!
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03-05-2015 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jesse8888
The turn was heads up (he had no reason to go for over calls)? That's actually a pretty strong reason to just call. Combo wise it sounds like he can only have K2s (which is one or two combos), 6 combos of TT (perhaps should be discounted), and two combos of K8 that beat you. You need to weigh this against some fudgery of how many KX combos he has (infinity) times the chances he will not raise the turn with them (zero), and conjure a number!
You are correct that the turn was heads up.

The bold is the reason I posted the hand. Nothing makes sense, but he has two cards. There are no draws on the turn, which discounts random river spew. If he was gonna spew then why not on the turn?

He could also have KT, which is another six combos that beat me.

Fudgery required indeed.
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03-05-2015 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
You are correct that the turn was heads up.

The bold is the reason I posted the hand. Nothing makes sense, but he has two cards. There are no draws on the turn, which discounts random river spew. If he was gonna spew then why not on the turn?

He could also have KT, which is another six combos that beat me.

Fudgery required indeed.
It's lhe when the bull**** siren sounds put in the requirements and reveal your holding
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03-05-2015 , 09:04 PM
Why can't he have Tx? Mostly AT I guess
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03-05-2015 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
Why can't he have Tx? Mostly AT I guess
I mean. He COULD I guess.
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03-05-2015 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
Why can't he have Tx? Mostly AT I guess
Mostly because this is 4/8 and no one gets that creative.

OP this seems like a snap 3! and vomit call 4!.
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03-05-2015 , 09:23 PM
Wait, I'm confused, utg +1 isn't the decent player, is it? Is he even thinking strategy, or expert slowplay of a K? I'd 3 bet - fold to 4 if I'm playing good.

Edit: Oh, this is spewy guy on a tear. Then I'm fistpump 3b/calling. He might even 4 bet 22 for value, given description.
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03-05-2015 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jesse8888
I mean. He COULD I guess.
I mean there aren't that many combos but villain is discribed as an idiot trying to win every pot. Putting him solely on a better full house seems overly mubsy. Fist pump 3bet, call a 4, and laugh at him under your breath is he really has us beat by anything
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03-05-2015 , 10:28 PM
Does OP say anything about him spraying bluffs or value betting thin post?
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03-05-2015 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jesse8888
Does OP say anything about him spraying bluffs or value betting thin post?
Can't get stupid phone to highlight to quote but OP says "villain has been seen bluff raising on numerous occasions and it hasn't stopped him from trying to win every pot"
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03-05-2015 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
Can't get stupid phone to highlight to quote but OP says "villain has been seen bluff raising on numerous occasions and it hasn't stopped him from trying to win every pot"
Oh I missed that part three bet
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03-06-2015 , 10:30 AM
3 bet for the reasons you described in the OP. Nh so far.

If he's a big station post, do we just B/C? For funsies-how good of a read do we need to make that correct?
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03-06-2015 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Grease
If he's a big station post, do we just B/C? For funsies-how good of a read do we need to make that correct?
I don't know. I suppose that if he hadn't been caught bluff raising before then I'd be much less likely to 3 bet at gamespeed.

Oh hello Dr Grease. Long time no see you around here. I thought you had been transformed into a thesis a la the Lawnmower Man.
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03-06-2015 , 01:01 PM
They cannot kill the grease. He always come back. He always OK.

A server at the Bike actually said this to me after I'd been on a few month hiatus, except she refers to me as Big Bird.
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03-14-2015 , 11:23 AM
So I 3 bet the river thinking "I hope he spews."

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He called and I showed. He shows AKo.
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03-16-2015 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jesse8888
except she refers to me as Big Bird.
?? Back story here??
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03-16-2015 , 11:14 AM
All the really good fishermen know to follow the birds. It takes a big bird to carry away a big fish.
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03-16-2015 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
So I 3 bet the river thinking "I hope he spews."

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He called and I showed. He shows AKo.
AK did require most expert of slow play. He did the right thing.

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?? Back story here??
It's getting hazy, but basically sailboats and dosequis were bert and ernie (although dos now tells me there were something else) and mikeL was snufalupagus or the cookiemonster and I think I may have had the choice between the count and big bird but either way I ended up as big bird.

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All the really good fishermen know to follow the birds. It takes a big bird to carry away a big fish.
A+ for effort.
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03-22-2015 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jesse8888
It's getting hazy, but basically sailboats and dosequis were bert and ernie (although dos now tells me there were something else) and mikeL was snufalupagus or the cookiemonster and I think I may have had the choice between the count and big bird but either way I ended up as big bird.
LOL worthy indeed
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03-24-2015 , 01:11 PM
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LOL worthy indeed
Server's name is Sumporn. I swear.
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03-26-2015 , 12:16 AM
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Server's name is Sumporn. I swear.
"Hey, can we get Sumporn over here?"
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03-26-2015 , 12:35 PM
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"Hey, can we get Sumporn over here?"
"I'm coming big bird"
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03-26-2015 , 01:15 PM
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"I'm coming big bird"
She knows deep down inside, you're yellow.
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03-27-2015 , 05:27 AM
Anybody like checking the flop here?
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