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10-03-2014 , 01:20 AM

Bob148

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Opener is relatively wide, coldcaller is lol, and there are tight players behind me.

Middle position raises. One call. I 3 bet 66. Big blind calls, as do the others.

345r

checks to me, I bet, all call.

4o

checks to me, I bet, all call.

J

checks to me.

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10-03-2014 , 02:26 AM

KL03

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Check because JT just got there.

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10-03-2014 , 05:51 AM

chillrob

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I check the river. Preflop is terrible. Are there truly any tight players in a 4/8 game?

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10-03-2014 , 10:21 AM

daveopie

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I'm curious what others will say about preflop. This is a spot that puzzles me. We know the other 2 players in the pot so far are bad so we want to be in the pot. Oour hand isn't quite good enough to raise. I often end up calling in this spot, but then I think I don't have the odds to set mine and don't like that option too much either.

Flop and turn are easy bets. On the river, is a worse hand going to call? Possibly someone calls with AK or something like that but there aren't too many worse hands that call. I doubt a better hand will fold. I do like to push small edges in limit hold'em, but I think I end up checking the river.

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10-03-2014 , 10:25 AM

jdr0317

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I wouldn't three bet 66 in a 4/8 game.

As played, bet river because no one else has a pair (at least no one should have a pair).

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10-03-2014 , 10:40 AM

DoISuck?

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

As played, bet river because no one else has a pair (at least no one should have a pair).

When they call your river bet, do you still think this is true?

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10-03-2014 , 11:21 AM

Bob148

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Originally Posted by chillrob

Are there truly any tight players in a 4/8 game?

I was getting lots of preflop folds from the players behind me.

Later in the session, the guy to my left admitted to folding 88 when I raised a limper from the HJ. I believe him.

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10-03-2014 , 11:45 AM

jdr0317

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Originally Posted by DoISuck?

When they call your river bet, do you still think this is true?

Yes, until they nitroll 88

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10-03-2014 , 12:36 PM

Man of Means

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Check the river and fast roll it like the nuts. Agree with others that 3-betting pre is a bit aggressive, but then again you will get an image if you show this down (how much is that worth in this game?).

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10-03-2014 , 12:45 PM

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LetItBurn

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Originally Posted by Bob148

I was getting lots of preflop folds from the players behind me.

Later in the session, the guy to my left admitted to folding 88 when I raised a limper from the HJ. I believe him.

Is this atypical? I play a $3/$6 full kill game where one of the tables I started at played this way for two or three rounds, then totally loosened up as horrible players entered the game. I'm moving on to greener pastures because I don't play often enough to tolerate playing in bad games for too long.

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10-03-2014 , 01:06 PM

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CrazyLond

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I fold preflop. Cold call would be my second choice and preferred line if loose players behind, but you said they were tight.

Easy value bet on river.

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10-03-2014 , 01:46 PM

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Bob148

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Is this atypical?

It's not unusual to have two or three players to my left that will coldcall 77-TT and the usual suited connectors like T9s, J9s+, Q9s+, K9s+, as well as A2s-AQs.

The guy folding 88 is pretty unusual though.

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10-03-2014 , 07:15 PM

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If you can't value bet this river you should probably fold preflop.

A5 65 calls for sure, and A3 32 22 will all think about it at least.

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10-04-2014 , 02:28 AM

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Bob148

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If you can't value bet this river you should probably fold preflop.

noted

I think it's weird that my range is so much scarier than my actual holding, which should lead a Jack to just call.

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10-04-2014 , 02:44 AM

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Bob148

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Originally Posted by Man of Means

I've seen it range from a slightly bad game with small pots to a great game with huge pots. I can't say for sure if my frequent raising affects their game, but it does seem like the more I open raise and 3 bet, the wilder the game becomes.

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10-04-2014 , 04:11 AM

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Check. QJ, JT, J9, J8, and J7 all got there and they are consistent with how bad players will play those hands. They look good pf to 4/8 players and on the turn and river, bad players will often call with 2 overcards (maybe they fold the turn though, but maybe not). You might even see KJ or AJ or something dumb like J5s. They could also have something like 77, 88 or 99.

Anyone with a 3 or worse could fold (I'm pretty skeptical that anything worse than A3 calls though). A5 will call and so will 65, but there aren't many combinations of 65 because we have two of the sixes. Maybe I could throw in K5s here.

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10-04-2014 , 10:41 AM

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I would 3 bet 88 pre here, 77s is close. I would just call 66s. I wouldnt be calling just to set mine. We have position on a widish range and a bad player.

Bet the river, watch them call, then shake their head and muck.

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10-04-2014 , 10:56 AM

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shoeshinebox

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4-8 at canterbury park ,i bet the river. love the 3 bet w/66...gd job

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10-04-2014 , 11:04 AM

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Biggle10

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I personally think all three options pre flop are viable and are really table dependent.

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10-06-2014 , 12:29 AM

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Any one who says fold pf needs to hike up their skirts

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10-06-2014 , 01:57 PM

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callipygian

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Originally Posted by Bob148

I think it's weird that my range is so much scarier than my actual holding

Your range doesn't matter as much here as your perceived range. You benefit whenever people misrange you, but depending on how they do it, you exploit differently.

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10-06-2014 , 03:45 PM

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Your range doesn't matter as much here as your perceived range. You benefit whenever people misrange you, but depending on how they do it, you exploit differently.

True, but isn't his perceived range here likely much stronger than his actual hand? That's why I can't easily get behind a value bet on the river.

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10-06-2014 , 04:14 PM

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True, but isn't his perceived range here likely much stronger than his actual hand? That's why I can't easily get behind a value bet on the river.

generally speaking, if his range is perceived stronger than it is wouldnt that be his best chance to fold out weak hands that still beat him?

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10-06-2014 , 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!

generally speaking, if his range is perceived stronger than it is wouldnt that be his best chance to fold out weak hands that still beat him?

It's not strong enough to make bluffing here profitable, IMO. No one who has played as shown so far who has him beat is going to fold, especially in a 4/8 game.

I think he is most likely to have the best hand on this river, but if he bets and is called, he is not likely to be best. Unpaired overcards will fold, bigger pocket pairs and Jacks will call. There are a few pairs of 5s or what have you that will also call, but IMO not enough to make a value bet profitable either.

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10-06-2014 , 05:05 PM

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Are we really discussing perceived ranges in a 4/8 game?

Seriously, let's worry about this when we hit 20. For now, bet because people will call with A3 like they always do at this stake.

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