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Old 08-12-2012, 08:21 PM   #1
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3/6 limit river decision

I was playing at the local casino when this hand happened.

I am utg with AKs and I raise to 6. I have been playing tag. Folds around to sb who calls and bb folds. Flop comes Kh5d6d. I bet sb calls. Turn comes 10d, I bet and sb looks as if he Is going to raise, but just calls and says I know you have a pair. River comes 4c and he bets out what do I do? He has been playing pretty much every hand and getting lucky on most of them. At this point all I think I can beat is a bluff. I know people like hands to be converted but I don't know how to do it on this phone of mine. Any opinions on the hand would be great. Thank you all for reading.
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Old 08-12-2012, 09:01 PM   #2
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Do you think folding is correct?. If it isn't (explain why), do you think raising is correct?. If it isn't (explain why), then that leaves you only one option.

Easy game.

PS. Why do you say you only beat a bluff?. You beat literally hundreds of one pair hands that he could have decided to bet since he was calling anyway.
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Old 08-12-2012, 09:14 PM   #3
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I thought fold. The reason being is I saw this same play by him about 10 times in the 4 hours that we played together. Every time he caught 2 pair, flush, straight to win the hand. Every time he mad this play he had 2 pair+. I could not see him playing the hand like this with any less than 2 pair.
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Old 08-12-2012, 09:26 PM   #4
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I thought fold. The reason being is I saw this same play by him about 10 times in the 4 hours that we played together.
So that means he can then bet the river against you with any two cards and he'll win 100% of the time unless you make 2 pairs or better.

Do you see a possible problem with that strategy for you?

Folds like that can only be made with a longer history with villian.
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Old 08-12-2012, 09:59 PM   #5
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Re: 3/6 limit river decision

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Do you think folding is correct?. If it isn't (explain why), do you think raising is correct?. If it isn't (explain why), then that leaves you only one option.

Easy game.

PS. Why do you say you only beat a bluff?. You beat literally hundreds of one pair hands that he could have decided to bet since he was calling anyway.
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Old 08-12-2012, 11:44 PM   #6
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I called, but a fold did cross my mind. He turned over Jd2d for a turned flush. I just wanted to make sure that play was correct. I am trying to improve my game and I thought if I started posting some hands for feedback that could really help my game. Thanks for the feedback.
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Old 08-12-2012, 11:46 PM   #7
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Re: 3/6 limit river decision

Welcome to the forums my friend and nice first post.

Why does he donk and not raise? If he had less than 2 pair would he raise lol? Is he just so unsophisticated that he doesn't even know how to raise? Has he raised and what does that mean (say a semi bluff?) ... You said he plays every hand and "gets lucky". The former in this statement is much more important and should be considered when making the best long term play against this guy.

The fact that he is speeching away and the hesitancy of his play on the turn may indicate strength you are still very strong yourself and this pot is heads up althgh the size is rather small at 6.5:1 I still think its a call. Change the card on the board to a Q and you have KK would you call here?

Fwiw I don't like a raise if anybody was considering it. But call>raise>fold IMO ...
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Old 08-13-2012, 12:02 AM   #8
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Re: 3/6 limit river decision

Lol @ villain's line.

If you called river, nh.
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Old 08-13-2012, 02:12 PM   #9
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Fwiw I don't like a raise if anybody was considering it. But call>raise>fold IMO ...
I was considering it, but tend to agree call>raise>fold IMO ... Probably just my online experience creeping in, wanting to raise.

Hearseguy, you should include reads you have on villain in your orginal post (like what you've seen him take this line with before) if you want the most accurate responses.
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Old 08-14-2012, 03:53 PM   #10
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Re: 3/6 limit river decision

sleep well knowing he lost money on every street except the river.
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Old 08-17-2012, 07:28 PM   #11
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Re: 3/6 limit river decision

Dont be discouraged. He may win pots here and there with a hot streak but he is playing losing poker....you also need to know why he is calling and put him on ranges and narrow his range as the cards come and his betting or calling. You need to make decisions based on his actions and know every street whether you are beat or ahead. It doesnt matter if he has been winning pots continously. Make the decision that is best. The deck does not have a memory. You will catch the nuts and he will pay you off just be patient.
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Old 08-28-2012, 09:48 AM   #12
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Re: 3/6 limit river decision

Obviously in a vacuum folding is a disaster as far as game theory is concerned. However, as the hand is descirbed; 4/8 fish, 3rd diamond on turn, goofy table talk and donk river bet... I would suggest calling in spots similar to this is something to be done very occasionally only to keep someone from getting inspired to make a play at you in this situation and to avoid giving the impression that you making big laydowns.

There are a great many of players against whom it won't matter, but this would be more for the benefit of the rest of the players. In some drunken weekend games; it just doesn't matter at all. I like the call here b/c it sounds like you haven't been playing too long. You get to see his hand and some insight into his play and what the bs table talk means. You also avoid making a first impression as someone who folds pairs.

I think you can safely fold for the rest of the night in similar situations. The example of having KK and a river Q would not be similar, however.
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Old 08-28-2012, 12:27 PM   #13
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2 players to a flop at 3/6? Pics or gtfo. Seriously though if that happens regularly at all get a table change if possible.
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Old 08-28-2012, 07:31 PM   #14
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2 players to a flop at 3/6? Pics or gtfo. Seriously though if that happens regularly at all get a table change if possible.
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Old 08-30-2012, 06:56 AM   #15
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I am utg with AKs and I raise to 6... Folds around to sb who calls and bb folds.
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He turned over Jd2d
Be thrilled that guy is in your game. Call the river.
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