3/6 I'm in the BB with 6 6. 7 to the flop no raise.

Villain one LAG is UTG3 and Villian two is a new noob MP. I call her a noob because she will bet hands that she should not bet, she calls when she should fold, she will chase any draw and has lost over two racks. I can't trust her actions. The LAG has slowed down some since he is wary of me and says so (he thinks I always win - I wish). I play much tighter than other 3/6 players, will 3-bet more than most, and I only raise good hands.

Flop: 5 6 4 (7 players, 6sb)

SB checks, I bet, V1 calls, fold, V2 calls, call, fold, call, SB folds.

Turn: 8 (5 players, 11sb)

I check, V1 bets, V2 calls, I call.

River: 9 (3 players, 8.5 bb)

I check, V1 checks, V2 bets.

V1 talks too much about hands. Before checking he mutters flush.

My turn. This is a raise or fold? Agree? If I could beat the noob I should raise if I think that V1 would fold thinking I had a flush. I hate to fold a set but one card makes a straight and there is a possible flush.

When V1 bet the turn I put him on a straight. V2 should be calling with a flush draw but who knows.

I hope I recounted this hand right.

Who folds? Who calls? Anyone try a raise?

if u k this flop(to k/r)who bets in ur opinion?

If I changed this to a ck/r on the flop how does that change the play?

The river gets checked around. Since I would bet the turn and check the river. Only a flush would bet the river.

Remember one leak is value bet the river. Flush and four to a straight I check.

I should bet and fold however.

b/f isnt bad here

without REALLY knowing ur vils might just k/f unless vils are spew/bluffy

Bet/call the turn. On this river, if it gets checked to you, I think you can b/f

Since you didn't, you can crying call the river expecting to lose, but there's a big enough pot and people take stabs. V1 might even mistakenly fold the best hand.

This river is never a raise. Just because the noob plays a lot of hands doesn't mean that she bets a lot of hands on the river, especially when the board is so scary. However, a call could still be reasonable since you don't know her river betting range that well. She may choose to bet a two pair on the river after everyone shows weakness, or might be pulling off a weird bluff. A raise is only good if you expect to beat a large portion of the hands MP bets here AND the early player will fold a better hand when you raise AND the early player would call with a better hand if you just call. This is a pretty unlikely situation. You still have a decent chance of beating the early player, so I would call this, and hope he calls with a worse hand.

BTW, you should be betting this turn. You miss a lot of value when you are ahead, and you're ahead a ton of the time. These players are calling with way more hands than ones that include 7s. Worry about the straight if you get raised.

Note that, even when you are raised, you should probably call down. While you are most likely beat at that point, you have to call to hit your boat, and then folding in a 10+ bet pot on the river for a single bet with a set would be crazy.

Thanks. Thus the subject. Avoid fancy play. I called.

Betting the turn might be better but I think over the long term against 2 players on that board I would think it might not be.

A 7 will raise and I won't boat enough if you get raised. But, I am giving a free card. Then again I could have the best hand here.

So bet the turn, call the raise and fold the river if no boat might be +EV. That is the same 2 bets as check/call and check/call.

However, a player might raise 2 pair thinking it was the best hand so folding the river for one bet is dicy.

Aint poker easy?

Why would raising the river even cross your mind if you didn't bet the turn? (when you had a way higher chance of having the best hand)

What hands call your river raise?

Not so sure I had the best hand on the turn. 4 bad guys and odds one had a 7. Most 3/6 is passive play.

I would be representing a flush.

Bet flush draw on the flop so no free card.
Check the turn.
Check raise my flush on river.

This is FPS and might not work.

V1 might fold a 7 if he thinks I had the flush, but he probably would make a crying call.

Just thinking. Would it work?

How many times in 5000 hours have you seen a player fold a straight for one bet on the river at 3/6?

What hands call your raise, and what would the raise accomplish?

2000 at 3/6 other 3000 other limits.

They don't show if they fold a straight but a few have I'm sure. Most say crying call and call. Two pair will call. The noob would call with one pair. Villian one would call with a better hand.

Villian one said he thought I had a flush and I was waiting for him to bet so he checked behind me. Then Villian two bet and I called so he would fall.

The pot had 9.5 bb so I would need to win 1-4. Not likely.

Just discussing to see what people think; avoid FPS.

I called as I should.

3/6

I had KJ looking for an T on a 4, 8, 9, Q board. Player bet the turn when the Q hit and bet the river when a K hit.

I raised my King thinking I would rep a straight. Then I though - you idiot - you are going to get called by a better hand! Lucky he folded.

That was dumb play. My King must have been good. He probably had AQ/QJ/QT.

Mike, it sound to me like you are not considering the action on each street: V1 liked the board when the one card straight came (didnt like it before that much, didn't raise), V2 liked the board when the flush came (still a one card straight out there).

People play very straightforward in this spot. There is strong evidence that at least one of them has a one card straight or a flush so will call your river raise guaranteed and you will loose 2BB, it doesn't matter if the other player has one or two pairs.

raise pre, bet turn, call river