3/6 artichoke joe's.

Villian: I've played with him quite a bit in the past. His game changed from Loose Passive to Loose Aggressive. Here are my reads from this session:

• Preflop he's open raising any ace from any position, pairs, hands with two boardway cards.

• Post flop, he'll bet 3 streets with his draws if checked to (gutshots+), same with bottom and middle pair. He'll also bet 3 streets with ace high and king high on dry boards. he plays his big hands the same way (TPGK+).

I don't have much of a hand here, but HU I figure I'm ahead of him enough of the warrant a call down. Other thoughts? I'm not sure about raising on the flop or turn, what worse hands will call? On the other hand, the pot is fairly small so why call down ...

Hero in BB with Ts6s:

Preflop: folds to villian who calls, 3 callers, hero checks.

Flop: KK6 rb

hero checks, villian bets, folds to hero who calls. (5SB)

Turn: offsuit 2

hero checks, villian bets, hero calls (3.5 BB)

river: 8

hero checks, villian bets, hero calls (5.5 BB).

Raise the flop.

raise flop

so he woulda raised pf with 77-99? and any K? but he just limped ... ? I think you're good here a majority of the time. If he has A6 or a K then that's a run bad. happens...

Thx for the response. What exactly do we expect to accomplish by raising the flop? We're certainly not getting value from anything worse.

Bet or raise flop. CU@SD

raise flop hoping 2 take it down. ur prob good,but vonurable

nice hand

for reals guys raising this flop is so ****ing bad

+1

if he's got a smaller pair or a bluff we want him to keep barreling. the best way to do that is to play the hand exactly how you played it.

ok I thought I would get leveled by suggesting raising. After posting that I reconsidered it to be marginal bordering on bad too but wanted to see how the forum reacted.

I brought it up initially by the simple and plain fact that we are ahead and when we are ahead I want to put the money in, that's all because if he's on a bluff he's doing it with overs and I wanted to charge him to draw out on me.

but I very much like the notion of letting him barreling with a smaller pp ... or a bluff and just letting him value town himself. that sounds good too. this is a good lesson.

if it goes check bet call call (Im considering your first) with a fold or two on the flop what will you do?

on the flop will aggro bet into a calling field in a protected pot with undercards alone?

on the flop will aggro raise as second to act with undercards alone?

how will your opponet react if you bet into this field on this sort of flop?

if we never give ourselves an opportunity to make a correct fold and we always allow our opponent to take free cards, value bet and bluff correctly will we still be able to show a profit? (his bluffing tendancies may urge us to call but how does he do towards value betting correctly or his calling of raises correctly) ie can we ever get a raise payed off if we hit any one of our 5 outs?

how many outs are you granting our opponent ?

would you ever consider betting a safe turn with any hand ever?

would you like to be able to consider betting a safe turn with any hand ever?

would you consider check raising a safe turn with any hand ever?

would you consider semibluffing a safe card with this hand (you did say he bets pairs here)

if it goes check check on the turn which cards are you folding to on the river when he bets? which cards are you betting unimproved?

you should be considering all this before you take any action on the flop.

would it be nice to be able to keep the right of first bluff rep a king and get a hand like 99 to fold?

wouldnt it be nice to be able to b/3b a K in this spot and still get action?

Im not saying check and see what happens isnt a sound play on the flop here but did you consider anything other than that?

fold

Most likely an ace.

Probably the turn. I've seen him raise bottom pair as a bluff on the turn on scare card.

i'd expect him to fold all but a K and pairs > 6. I doubt he has 77+ as i would expect him to raise the hand PF. More likely is a weak ace.

3 to 5

against him, no. he'll either fold or raise.

I don't like this play, what does it accomplish?

not too many scare cards except a king. I don't think this applies on this board.

an ace. he's never checking turn, that's my read ...

yes, but isn't he more likely to have a hand like Ax?

no

ITT: Hero
[] accurately counted the pot
[] is playing a game with a reasonable drop structure

(The drop is 1.3 SB OTF and don't you forget it.)

Seriously though:

Worse hands than yours that will call your flop raise: ALL OF HIS WORSE HOLDINGS THAT ARE TWO OVERCARDS TO THE 6 AND QUITE POSSIBLY A2-A5 AND MAYBE EVEN 45 AND ONE OVERCARD PLUS A BACKDOOR FLUSH DRAW. If a 3/6 player folds for one more bet OTF after already putting a bet in, he is not loose; he is the Rock of Gibraltar.

Raise the flop to avoid giving villain a sick price on his semibluffs imo (when he doesn't have 99% equity, he very often has 25-30% equity against your hand here). Barrel a blank turn (see: protect your hand; any card T or lower is a blank here IMO), and bet/fold most rivers unless you are super sure he has the cojones to bluff-raise the river.

By the way, most low-stakes players are going to auto-slowplay flopped trips, usually by checking or calling the flop and betting/raising the turn. For this reason, trips are unlikely unless you have seem him play trips differently.

I disregard the KK on board and call this hand top pair on the flop. I bet the flop and turn, either bet or c/c river depending on what falls. He has to draw to a pair most of the time, and if he doesn't he's folding too much. I win either way. If the flop were something like KQ6tt, then I might go for the c/c,c/c,c/c line.

im not sure what i was or wasnt thinking in my original post but u have a bluff catch an against vil thatll bluff off... let em
i do think ull get calls from worse hands raising flop,(Ax) but then loose ui action on turn