15/30 JJ four-flush board

[bschr04]

15/30 6 handed.

Villain (HJ) is pretty active. He has been running bad and maybe tilting a little. I personally have rivered him within the past hour. He has not limped or even cold called a raise preflop since ive sat down.


HJ limps, two folds, I raise SB with JcJs, BB calls, HJ calls.

Flop (6 SB) Kx Kd 3d
I bet, BB calls, HJ raises, I 3!, BB folds, HJ calls.

Turn (6.5 BB) Kx Kd 3d Ad
I k/c

River (8.5 BB) Kx Kd 3d Ad 6d
I k/c


I cant see villains limping range having any kings in it, and I cant see his flop raising range having very many Ace hi no flush draw in it. I think his range has a ton of small pairs and suited connectors and I think I have to call down against that range(?) Thoughts on any street welcome.

[AKQJ10]

Really weird HJ open limp given the read. Almost sounds like 50% slowplay, 50% really marginal junk that he's tired of gambling with. But people who are slowplaying AA preflop are almost never slowplaying AK preflop. And people who are slowplaying preflop are always slowplaying trip kings here. So it seems unlikely he has a king, a little more likely he has AA, somewhat more likely he has total junk. I guess we're also 3 betting the flop because we'd like to play HU, right?

I'm not bold enough to trust my read and 3! the flop based on that read, but I can see why better players would be.

[leo doc]

I like a turn b/f better than c/c.

[Bob148]

I think a read on the big blind would narrow HJ's range a lot. I like a turn bet fold, though I'm tempted to just check fold. Now that I type it out that sounds horrible.

[asmitty]

B/f turn c/f river easy game. As played c/c this particular river is far inferior to either c/f or ye olde clarkmeister

[jdr0317]

C/c OTT = yuck.

[bschr04]

Don't really get betting the turn- anyone want to elaborate?

When we bet the turn, all better hands will call or raise. Worse hands without a diamond are folding a lot of the time on this particular card. We do get value from worse hands with one diamond.

It seems like a WA/WB spot. The turn essentially turned my hand into a bluff catcher and I want to give him a chance to bluff.

[nonsimplesimon]

I very much dislike the turn check after the flop raise.

[Man of Means]

Active players will limp a lot of Kx-suited, and if you don't think he limps a lot of king-x hands then what type of hand do you put him on that you beat on the turn?

He would have to be pretty psycho to be bluffraising the flop with some hand that didn't get there on the turn...unless you think small pocket pairs and random junk are in his range, in which case i understand the bluff-inducing and "fml" check/call down.

[Slide]

I cant see villains limping range having any kings in it, and I cant see his flop raising range having very many Ace hi no flush draw in it. I think his range has a ton of small pairs and suited connectors and I think I have to call down against that range(?)

If you think this is his range, your still ahead on the turn. You should just bet for value. Why would you want to check against a range that really benefits from taking a free card on the turn.

[Captain R]

What the hell?

[timmer]

call flop b/f turn is standard play against straightforward player in this situation.
against tricky player k/c down as his bluffing range is intact and wide enough for you to show a profit. against tricky aggressive certain rivers can be played creatively given certain specific player tenancies.

[Grease]

Originally Posted by asmitty

B/f turn c/f river easy game. As played c/c this particular river is far inferior to either c/f or ye olde clarkmeister

I agree. C/Cing this river is terrible as it lets him VB us very thin and in general play pretty well against our range (which is pretty weak and faceup at this point.)

[i4c14u]

turn-betting
river-c/f

c/c is not a good play. you cant beat much on the river. you let him take the lead, and he bets the turn and the river! your chance arent good your winning