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15-30 Got Them Red Aces. 15-30 Got Them Red Aces.

12-02-2014 , 06:31 PM
Good game so far, couple easy spots few solid regs and myself.

Folded to hero who raises red AA

SB and BB only callers.

Flop K23

SB Donks, BB Calls, Hero Raises SB/BB Call

Turn 3

SB Donks Again, BB Calls, Hero Raises, Fold, BB Calls

River 10

BB Check Calls.

Any room for improvement?
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12-02-2014 , 07:22 PM
With no reads, I would actually just call the turn. SB has now donked twice on a 2 diamond board and the third diamond, and this often means a flush.
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12-02-2014 , 07:33 PM
Nice hand
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12-02-2014 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by lawdude
With no reads, I would actually just call the turn. SB has now donked twice on a 2 diamond board and the third diamond, and this often means a flush.
If I didn't have the Ace of diamonds, then I agree.
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12-02-2014 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by lawdude
With no reads, I would actually just call the turn. SB has now donked twice on a 2 diamond board and the third diamond, and this often means a flush.
If this is your read, might it be better to raise the turn and check back the river UIP? You will be at least calling down anyway unless the BB comes to life. Raising the turn gives you the opportunity to collect the extra bet fom the BB and Sb those times you'r still ahead. It's less likely he will three bet with a flush since you hold the Ad. you still have flush and boat outs if you are behind. I suppose he could have a three but there aren't many combos even if he's super loose.

I usually play this hand as the hero did. The second donk could be a flush, but it also could be a picked up flush draw to go with the villains worse pair or just a bad bluff.
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12-03-2014 , 12:15 AM
nice hand
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12-03-2014 , 05:55 PM
nh. I'm sure he rolled something like J9 though.
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12-03-2014 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
nh. I'm sure he rolled something like J9 though.
??? seems contradictory.
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12-03-2014 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by KitCloudkicker
??? seems contradictory.
I'd venture a player like this has Kx more than a flush in this spot. But since it got posted, I assume vil had the flush, and proceeded to nitroll OP.

Edit: misread action, I thought SB redonk/called; he redonk/folded. Probably a lot less likely to be shown a flush now.
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12-03-2014 , 07:23 PM
Raising turn is debatable but you have 12 outs vs a king high floosh and surely you win sometimes.
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12-04-2014 , 02:09 AM
I like it. esp 3way. Headsup, it's a dicier turn play. 3way, your hand has to be good less frequently for it to be correct, and your draw has more equity.
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12-04-2014 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
If this is your read, might it be better to raise the turn and check back the river UIP? You will be at least calling down anyway unless the BB comes to life. Raising the turn gives you the opportunity to collect the extra bet fom the BB and Sb those times you'r still ahead. It's less likely he will three bet with a flush since you hold the Ad. you still have flush and boat outs if you are behind. I suppose he could have a three but there aren't many combos even if he's super loose.

I usually play this hand as the hero did. The second donk could be a flush, but it also could be a picked up flush draw to go with the villains worse pair or just a bad bluff.
If your opponent isn't an idiot, you are going to get 3-bet by a lot of flushes doing this.
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12-04-2014 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by lawdude
If your opponent isn't an idiot, you are going to get 3-bet by a lot of flushes doing this.
I don't think so. Live players tend to get passive to raises without the nut flush, especially on a paired board against a pre flop aggressor.
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12-04-2014 , 01:44 PM
Chk behind on the river. You are shown trips or a baby flush to often to value bet the river.

I like the turn raise cause if the 4th diamond shows on the river i can get in an extra big bet while getting to show down unimproved (usually) with just the 2 turn big bets.

Of course if they 3 the turn i need to call. And if they donk the river u have a difficult decision.
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12-04-2014 , 05:56 PM
Not having any reads on the players.... Why is this hand posted?
OP, you raise pre, you raised flop and turn, you are getting checked to on the river by a guy why was c/c all the way, and you bet... how can there possibly be anything wrong with the way you played this hand?
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12-04-2014 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by batruha
Not having any reads on the players.... Why is this hand posted?
OP, you raise pre, you raised flop and turn, you are getting checked to on the river by a guy why was c/c all the way, and you bet... how can there possibly be anything wrong with the way you played this hand?
I would say turn could be questionable, and there's definitely villains that I would not raise this turn against. Generic 15 villain gets popped, though, especially 3 ways.
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12-04-2014 , 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
I would say turn could be questionable, and there's definitely villains that I would not raise this turn against. Generic 15 villain gets popped, though, especially 3 ways.
This is 15/30. I would assume that complete idiots don't play it that much. So if we lose this hand, Villains line makes no sense even for a decent player imo. And if OP pays against a complete idiot who would not bet 2 pair on the river and will just c/c flop and turn w/ top pair, or not raise his 3 on the turn because of a possible flush... well, in that case 1. we need to have some reads on the players, or 2. It is irrelevant because we played that hand well anyway and you can't predict what a complete idiot will do.
If we got rivered to Villains KT, so be it, doesn't mean we didn't play this hand right.
I don't think turn raise is questionable, but we seriously need to consider b/f the turn if we get raised, but its player based as well, so we need a read.
Just my opinion.
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12-05-2014 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by batruha
This is 15/30. I would assume that complete idiots don't play it that much. So if we lose this hand, Villains line makes no sense even for a decent player imo. And if OP pays against a complete idiot who would not bet 2 pair on the river and will just c/c flop and turn w/ top pair, or not raise his 3 on the turn because of a possible flush... well, in that case 1. we need to have some reads on the players, or 2. It is irrelevant because we played that hand well anyway and you can't predict what a complete idiot will do.
If we got rivered to Villains KT, so be it, doesn't mean we didn't play this hand right.
I don't think turn raise is questionable, but we seriously need to consider b/f the turn if we get raised, but its player based as well, so we need a read.
Just my opinion.
Minor nit: We beat KT on this board.

Also, you'd be surprised. I still see people take these lines w/ flushes, as well as donk their marginal value / bluffs and x/r their monsters.
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12-05-2014 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by lawdude
If your opponent isn't an idiot, you are going to get 3-bet by a lot of flushes doing this.
Good lord you almost never get three bet here by a flush.
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12-05-2014 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jesse8888
Good lord you almost never get three bet here by a flush.
Yup.

The kind of players who donk flushes here are almost never the kind of players who three bet said flush. That being said, I've been owned a few times by good players who donk here, fully expecting me to raise a weaker hand.
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12-15-2014 , 11:24 PM
On the turn were you raise folding or calling?
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12-16-2014 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by GeorgeW
On the turn were you raise folding or calling?
No.
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12-18-2014 , 10:07 AM
Raise/folding this hand seems pretty Nutball to any guy under the age of 60 without significant reads, imo.
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12-22-2014 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
Raise/folding this hand seems pretty Nutball to any guy under the age of 60 without significant reads, imo.
When three bets go in on the turn which hands do you think hero is beating?
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12-29-2014 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by GeorgeW
When three bets go in on the turn which hands do you think hero is beating?
You may notice we have the A in our hand, where the action makes it hard for anyone/board to be full (so our flush is likely live).
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