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Old 02-07-2012, 11:38 AM   #16
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Re: 10/20 - Hero flopped top set and is looking for a river value line (basic/standard)

From your description of players, I will put the button on AK with maybe the Ad. The MP1 possible straight draw or two pairs. I will b/f if MP1 raises and button reraise.
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Old 02-07-2012, 01:06 PM   #17
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Re: 10/20 - Hero flopped top set and is looking for a river value line (basic/standard)

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How is this not a standard bet/fold? You probably won't get raised by sets but checking this river 3 way is just ludicrous.
?? Did you quote the wrong person?
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:47 PM   #18
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If we lose every time we k/c, don't we also lose every time we b/c??
That's why b/f > b/c >> k/c
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Old 02-07-2012, 04:22 PM   #19
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There has been a lot of advocacy for checking in this thread, something I am adamantly against in this situation.

I bet/decide and lean towards folding.
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Old 02-07-2012, 05:29 PM   #20
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Re: 10/20 - Hero flopped top set and is looking for a river value line (basic/standard)

k/c... i dont think we can f here and a raise says ur beat so ya cant bet out
checking this allows vill 2 bluff

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Old 02-07-2012, 06:29 PM   #21
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k/c... i dont think we can f here and a raise says ur beat so ya cant bet out
checking this allows vill 2 bluff
So just to be clear, you want to burn 1BB ONLY when you know you're beat and make $0 all the times we are ahead?
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:00 PM   #22
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Re: 10/20 - Hero flopped top set and is looking for a river value line (basic/standard)

btn 3 bet flop,then called down....5,6 smells about right and i think he bluffs at it enough 2 let em
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:15 PM   #23
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btn 3 bet flop,then called down....5,6 smells about right and i think he bluffs at it enough 2 let em
People with top or 2 pairs don't bluff against the pf raiser, who 3 bet the flop when both the flush and straight get there. They do call, a LOT of the time.
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:51 PM   #24
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Re: 10/20 - Hero flopped top set and is looking for a river value line (basic/standard)

lets see.... I raise, I bet then 3 bet , I bet.... Hmmmm despite the 9 I bet the river
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Old 02-08-2012, 03:08 AM   #25
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k/c... i dont think we can f here and a raise says ur beat so ya cant bet out
checking this allows vill 2 bluff
Not betting the river is a big mistake, but a separate question: what hands make it to the river and would like to bluff raise instead of showdown for one bet?. A crazy 89 is probably the only weak hand on the river.

Why would top, big or two pair bluff raise with a hand they can showdown?. Also, they probably suspect we have a pair of kings or better, do they really expect kings or better to fold?
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Old 02-09-2012, 05:48 PM   #26
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Re: 10/20 - Hero flopped top set and is looking for a river value line (basic/standard)

Thanks everyone for the comments so far. Seems there is a strong argument for betting, which is what I did. But I didn't really have a plan for folding or for calling. Here's what happened:

Hero bets, MP1 raises, BTN calls, Hero ...

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Old 02-10-2012, 03:51 PM   #27
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So just to be clear, you want to burn 1BB ONLY when you know you're beat and make $0 all the times we are ahead?
i dont think were ahead often enough here,
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Old 02-11-2012, 10:41 AM   #28
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Thanks everyone for the comments so far. Seems there is a strong argument for betting, which is what I did. But I didn't really have a plan for folding or for calling. Here's what happened:

Hero bets, MP1 raises, BTN calls, Hero ...

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Crying call.
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Old 02-11-2012, 01:18 PM   #29
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Thanks everyone for the comments so far. Seems there is a strong argument for betting, which is what I did. But I didn't really have a plan for folding or for calling. Here's what happened:

Hero bets, MP1 raises, BTN calls, Hero ...

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Since MP1 is the one raising the river after calling 2 cold on flop, the 9 makes him a big hand. You are getting 17:1 so cry calling isn't a big mistake.

With that said, unless MP1 has shown before that he doesn't understand the basics of the game or it's his first time playing, or drunk or hallucinating, you may not be good more than 1 in 17 times. Other than straight or flush, what else can he be raising with?, a bluff?. They can't both have K9.

But then again, shrimp cocktails are overrated, and fur coats are hot so decide at your own risk
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Old 02-11-2012, 05:25 PM   #30
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Re: 10/20 - Hero flopped top set and is looking for a river value line (basic/standard)

how often do u play in brantford?
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