Originally Posted by callipygian

I used to do this too (post hands where the fundamental issue was my read) but realized that the ensuing discussion is almost always useless because you've misled people from the beginning.

The only value to these hands is that you feel better knowing that if other people misread the villain they would have misplayed the hand too. I'm not 100% against that, but if you're going to take the time to post a hand it's a lot more helpful to put up a truly atrocious hand that you know you butchered and let people help you sift through the wreckage.

Originally Posted by Laminated Effect

KK for sure. People are really funky at these stakes with JJ-. My standard read vs an unknown old man (playing like an old man) would be that he would flat TT preflop and see the flop. I am not saying that your analysis is wrong by any means or saying that he shouldn't be rasing TT there. I was just voicing my opinion on the "old man" preflop play.

The really interesting thing here is how aggro SB played the flop. That is great information for us to have, and file away on him:

1. He bet as aggressively as he did with TPMK

2. On the flop, he went for a c/r so he may have seen the value in facing the field with 2 cold

3. His aggression may have been tied to the fact that the board was drawy

4. He went for the c/r when he turned top 2, so either he is sharp enough to figure that given the flop action there was a good chance someone would bet, or he got tricky with top 2 (we should continue to watch him to figure out which!)

Originally Posted by jdr0317

True that he could have TT pre flop, but he never has TT after a check/three bet. That is what spew boxes do, not old men. I stick with my belief that only 66 beats us OTF and OTT.