hallo

Hello Bona.

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Apparently I've taken a liking to pot limit big O8 because I just love running head first into big hands when I have worse big hands.

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Still love the limit holdem though.

Hey, it's a miracle!!!! We are both still alive!!!

How are you doing, old friend??


Doc

Yep- afaik we don't have an expiration date

How are you Doc? Are you playing teh pokerz again? If so where?

Hey bona, great to see you

Bona, good to see you are still kickin'

From the looks of it, we will all outlast the micros forum

Well we won't outlast poker but some of you may outlast limit poker. I still prefer limit but getting a game is difficult.

You guys want to stop over and get up a game at my dining room table. I could use the money.

Doing a lot of sports photography in what little free time I seem to have. I do play a couple of times a week at lunch on Bovada just for kicks. Not losing money but not winning a whole bunch either.

Also, taking photos of the grandkids.

If you want to find me on Bovada, I'm player no. 4.

Doc

It makes me a little sad to watch this forum shrink as more and more threads start to fall outside the 2 month window and are no longer displayed.

We need more micros players. Maybe PS New Jersey will help?

I read through the Vex site and watched all the videos. Very good stuff. It appealed to me more than the IQ stuff (which was still good). Now I have to figure out how much of the real HS material I can present to the 4th-6th graders on my team. Have to remember not to turn them off to the whole thing.

Here's a video from the 1930s that explains the differential gear better than anything else I've ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4JhruinbWc

how many BBs do you guys usually sit down with? is 25 the standard?

That's the video I was thinking of when I mentioned the books!

If there's a 4 bet cap then 20-25 will do. If there's no cap heads up then I like having a bit more in case someone goes ape****.

If you're playing on a site with auto rebuy, I'd turn that on and have some number > 12BB in my stack, with 3 raise cap even HU. I'm assuming you're coming from some NL or PL game, and opponents in LHE don't really care about your stack size other than if you're really short. If there wasn't auto RB, 25 seems fine because you could lose a big pot and play the next one while topping up. Still, few limit hands require more than 6BB to showdown, so even getting down to 8 or 9 isn't a big deal. I just hate to cooler someone and fail to get the max.

People were so much smarter back then! What happened to us?

When I was in high school, I had a 1977 Cutlass. V8, huge engine compartment, and you could probably explain how most of it worked in an afternoon to a mechanically apt listener. It was easy to get tools around the working bits. You could go to a local parts store, pick up a water pump for like $40, and replace one in 30 minutes? That car was relatively complex compared to the cars my dad helped work on in the 50's, due to things like AC, additional wiring, and fancy 4-barrel carburetors. All of this to say that you take your simple video, and you walk someone really close to being able to do fairly major work on a car -- the knowledge is super immediate and practical.

Modern cars, you're facing the fractal nature of high tech. You have a problem with the engine mis-firing, you have a large number of potential issues. Is the O2 sensor causing problems? Injectors? Computer problem? Other smog reduction devices? What is the code and what does it mean, stupid cylinder 4 misfire? The car is smaller, so you might have to take off unrelated stuff to even start looking at issues. Coupled with the fact that modern cars tend to actually be more reliable, and the ROI for being a shade tree mechanic is much lower.

How many of those 30's kids knew 3 programming languages? My daughter is 10 and does. It seems like calculus wasn't introduced in high schools until the 1960s. How about the time to become adept at basic computer skills. You have so many more things to know, today. Each of the things has extreme depth. Your 30's car and 30's tractor had a lot in common, learn one and you know tons about the other. Now? Giant diesel tractor runs everything on hydraulic systems, with all wheel drive and GPS assisted steering. Knowing how your Chevy works helps little.

In those days, lots of things could be repaired. When I design a consumer product, it is fairly common to heat stake the enclosure shut -- you'll have to tear it apart to get at the bits. Since all the parts are so small and so efficiently designed (i.e. not over-designed), they're made to wear out and have nothing you can service. They're so cheap, you don't mind buying a new one.

Sitting with 25 BB to start in a live game is great if you like making the walk of shame at least once a week (if you play FT).

I buy in for 50.

i was going to post a topic, still might if the moderator wants me to.


In micro games, how are we dealing with PPs (88 & lower) in EP & MP ?

Also, how hard do we go with our nutty draws? I was reading a bit of the faq and I was amazed how how strong people were saying to push flush/str8 draws. Was wondering if theres a general thought I should be applying when playing at the low limits with my draws

Definitely post threads. My recommendation would be to approach a general topic with a specific example (even if you have to make it up). The assumptions are going to be that most opponents are showdown bound and willing to call with 2nd best hands, so jamming draws is good if you are an equity favorite. Also, hands like NFD have emergency top pair draws, so additional outs.

Compare this to NL where you "bluff" out many worse hands and sometimes are forced to fold strong draws when some opponent ships over your value betting a draw. None of these dangers exist in LHE, so going for thin values with draws can be super profitable in loose games. Typically, the best draw and the best made hand chop up the equity from the rest of the field. So if someone has KQ on a QT7 board in a 5 way pot, the guy with AJ is happy to trap the field for a bunch of bets. Each of them is happy to take money from worse draws, worse Q's, and worse str8 draws. Some guy wants to try to spike a set with 99 or something, good on him.

check out the books 'getting started in holdem' and 'small stakes holdem' as they are useful beginner and intermediate references that hold up pretty well

I blame the internet

Sup peeps?

Hi Bravos. I still play a bit of limit holdem, but for the most part it's no limit holdem cashgames and tourneys for me. Here's my latest go for broke hand:

Heads up no limit holdem at a 6 max table

Him: ~$4.50
Me: ~$2

He raises 3x on the button, I call 86o.

T86r

I check, he bets 3/4 pot* and I check raise all in. He instantly calls.

Jo

2o

He scoops with J8s.

*This is the first opponent that I've ever come across that consistently bets 3/4 pot. Vs 1/2 pot, I think it's easy to not fold often. Vs pot, I think it's easy to fold much more often. Vs 3/4 pot, I'm trying to find the middle ground but it's giving me trouble. I'm just not used to the resulting stack to pot ratios. I suppose with more practice it'll get easier.

Word.

I recently started a thread on this topic. It got a bit math heavy for me, but here's a link nevertheless:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...ution-1599219/

Cliffs:

The stronger the best draw is, the more equity that draw will retain vs multiway action. The weaker the best hand is, the more equity is transferred to the weaker draws.