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Old 12-20-2014, 01:07 PM   #1
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Pre flop check up posts.

I thought it would be helpful to start an ongoing thread where people can post pre flop situations they have questions about. I realize that what once may have been a fold could be a call these days. Hopefully we can hone in on what the winners are doing these days

Provide relevant reads, position, image, number of players, what game etc. If you can explain the reasoning behind your response that would be great.

I'll start with a couple. 8/16 9 handed. My image is tight but capable of opening or isolating lightly.

Hand 1) loose UTG limps, Loose CO calls, I have Kd4d on the button. Blinds are TAGs.

Hand 2) loose UTG limps, tight and st forward post flop HJ raises(88+ AQ+ KJs+ ATs+), very loose and big time calling staton calls in CO, folded to us in SB with Ac6c. BB is tight.

I'm hoping this can be a place where anytime you run into that marginal spot you can post it and learn.

Thanks!
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Old 12-20-2014, 01:17 PM   #2
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

I'd call both hands.
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Old 12-20-2014, 02:24 PM   #3
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

I have gamble and leaks. I'd raise h1 and call h2.
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Old 12-20-2014, 04:45 PM   #4
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

I call the first hand. The second is heavily dependent on the read. 88+ is a pretty scary range. He's really overlimping AJ there? I fold then with a tight BB, I want 5 if I'm gonna play.
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Old 12-20-2014, 05:08 PM   #5
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

I'd call hand 1. Some people around here will raise, and I'm beginning to see this is less crazy than previously thought, based on equity, position (can take 4 card flop), and FUD.

How do your opponents respond to seeing you raise your button lightly? Do they limp/call even wider? Do they tighten up to fold the marginal hands you want them to play, while limping more hands they might otherwise raise? Do they start donking into you because you rarely have it? These adjustments complicate things.
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:32 PM   #6
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I'd call hand 1. Some people around here will raise, and I'm beginning to see this is less crazy than previously thought, based on equity, position (can take 4 card flop), and FUD.

How do your opponents respond to seeing you raise your button lightly? Do they limp/call even wider? Do they tighten up to fold the marginal hands you want them to play, while limping more hands they might otherwise raise? Do they start donking into you because you rarely have it? These adjustments complicate things.
I usually play 20/40 and a little 8/16 when I'm on the list so I'm not as familiar with the players. I think most players at 8/16 just play the way they play and aren't necessarily adjusting to how people play. I could raise five times in a row and they will still check to me. The exception is the player who always donks when he hits a hand.
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:35 PM   #7
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I call the first hand. The second is heavily dependent on the read. 88+ is a pretty scary range. He's really overlimping AJ there? I fold then with a tight BB, I want 5 if I'm gonna play.
Ya he's that tight.

I agree this is probably a fold. I think if we had one more caller in between it would feel right. Or if the raiser had a wide range maybe.
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Old 12-22-2014, 03:14 PM   #8
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

Two loose Passives limp ep, folded to us in hJ with QTo. The players to the left are all reasonably tight.
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Old 12-22-2014, 03:24 PM   #9
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

QTo is clearly a raise in that spot; no?
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Old 12-22-2014, 03:57 PM   #10
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QTo is clearly a raise in that spot; no?
I think so.
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Old 12-22-2014, 04:52 PM   #11
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

I barely open QTo when it's folded to me in the hj. Raising two limpers seems worse.
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Old 12-22-2014, 05:12 PM   #12
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I barely open QTo when it's folded to me in the hj. Raising two limpers seems worse.
You don't open QTo in the HJ? Why not?
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Old 12-22-2014, 05:49 PM   #13
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You don't open QTo in the HJ? Why not?
Because it's a pretty bad hand?

Offsuit hands are considerably worse than suited hands multiway pots. Opening it from the HJ is meh but whatever*. RWPL is a good way to pwn yourself.

*Tough games I instafold, neutral games I sigh and fold, soft games I probably gambol.
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Old 12-22-2014, 06:43 PM   #14
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

I generally don't like to raise QTo when 2 passives already limp in front. Passives at the 8 game tends to have hands that can dominate QTo (KT and QJ comes to mind). If both of you hit the flop they'll be happy to call 3 streets.

I do open QTo at HJ when folded to me, especially if players to the left are predictable.
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Old 12-22-2014, 07:54 PM   #15
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

So raise QJo here?
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Old 12-22-2014, 08:01 PM   #16
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

Personally I raise almost no unsuited hands after two limpers. I think limping along is fine with QTo or QJo (or even KJo for that matter).

Btw, I think this is a great idea for a thread; most preflop spots are not worth a entire thread on their own, but I still think there should be a place to gather opinions about marginal spots, without sidetracking people who always think "lol, preflop question".

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Old 12-22-2014, 11:13 PM   #17
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

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Because it's a pretty bad hand?

Offsuit hands are considerably worse than suited hands multiway pots. Opening it from the HJ is meh but whatever*. RWPL is a good way to pwn yourself.

*Tough games I instafold, neutral games I sigh and fold, soft games I probably gambol.
You will def have to excuse my noob questions; NLHE transplant into LHE

Do you limp here?
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Old 12-22-2014, 11:35 PM   #18
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Do you limp here?
I would.
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Old 12-23-2014, 05:28 PM   #19
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

live 9 handed 8/16.

UTG +2 opens..he seems to be a TAG, folded to unknown button who calls, folded to us in BB.

What do you do with these hands?

Q6s
9To
34s
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Old 12-23-2014, 06:00 PM   #20
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

I am going to take a stab here;

Q6s is a must call IMO
9To is borderline (leaning towards call)
34s is a muck
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Old 12-24-2014, 05:05 AM   #21
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

Fold all to a TAG. Call 9To to a LAG.
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Old 12-24-2014, 05:15 AM   #22
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Solid idea OP
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Old 12-25-2014, 11:00 PM   #23
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Solid idea OP
Thanks for the feedback!

Just a reminder, anybody can post a hand here.
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Old 12-25-2014, 11:06 PM   #24
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Re: Pre flop check up posts.

BB is a TAG. You are in the SB.

Two loose passive players limp in MP...it's folded to you.

What do you do with your AXs and AXo hands. Which do you raise and which do you just complete? What's the worst suited connector and pocket pair you raise?
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Old 12-27-2014, 01:26 PM   #25
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BB is a TAG. You are in the SB.

Two loose passive players limp in MP...it's folded to you.

What do you do with your AXs and AXo hands. Which do you raise and which do you just complete? What's the worst suited connector and pocket pair you raise?
Ok, I'll take a crack at this.

I would raise A7s+ A9o+ JTs+ 77+

I would call A2-6s, A2-8o, any suited hand, 22-66.
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