6/12 Oaks

HJ - tries to play well, ends up being loose-passive when on tilt/bored. Low PF aggression. His range preflop here is roughly 88+/AJ+.

sb - me, seen as laggy and FOS but winning.

BB - lady. In the short time she's been at the table, she raised her post, also limped in EP to limp-reraise. I vaguely recall her to be a losing player; would guess her to be a bad LAG.

HJ opens, I 3! AQo, BB caps, all call.

Flop: 822
BB bets, HJ calls, I call.

Turn: Q (brings heart flush)
BB bets, HJ raises, I cold-call (?)...

Q1: How'd I do?

My thoughts: Some pros of 3betting are that there are still some weaker hands that BB could wtf-call with (weird stuff like JJ-TT, A8, etc.) that I destroy, along with some hands that have very reasonable equity (KhXh). I'm not quite sure how I'm doing versus HJ's range on the turn, mostly because I'm not familiar with his turn raising range. I'd roughly guess: QT/QJ/KQ/AQ/KK/AA/QQ/88, and maybe not even some of the weaker queens due to his passive nature (he prob slowplays 88/QQ some of the time too). The cons of 3betting is losing more against better hands, and folding out dominated hands that I want to keep in from BB.

River: 2h

I lead, planning to make a theoretical bet/fold.

Q2: How good/terribad is this?

"seen as"?

Why did you widen HJ's range between PF and turn?

I like cold calling the turn. BB isn't folding anything we want her to (like a flush draw), but will over call with hands we want to continue like TT. River I probably C/C and hope BB over calls. I hate Donk/Folding the river, HJ could easily raise Qx on the river. Your hand is never stronger than a Queen once you've taken this line.

Agree with mntndrew that I don't understand why your turn range for HJ is now expanded.

i'm real confused by the action. the board is 8h 2x 2x - Qh - 2h? there's no way for the 2h on the river to put three two's up on the board and also put up a fourth flush card, so you must mean that the Qh puts a second heart on the board. or am i wrong here?

anyways even if you did fill up on the river i think c/c is best, your relative hand strength has not changed at all so donking doesn't do anything other than make you pay an extra bet when you're behind.

Did the turn bring a flush or a flush draw. Are u holding a heart?

I agree, seems like a WAWB spot to me.

HJ's turn raising range is not a subset of his PFR range. Does not compute.

Based upon your PF read, Villain has exactly AQ in this spot, unless he really screwplayed the flop.

I just overcall the turn.

yea, putting ranges on villains given very small sample sizes is always crapwork. I didn't really know, and I did change my range assessment on the turn. Moooooving on.

Sry, river was a low card but not a 2. It completed the flush (3h, lets say). My thought process on the river was to exploit loose-passive tendencies to not value raise enough. (so in this case, I was thinking that HJ would only raise the river with a full house, as his range consists of only made hands; I thought that AA/KK/QQ raises the flop a good amount of the time, which really just leaves AQ/KQ/any other Q, 88 and a wtf-22 hand(s). I would probably get raised by BB if she had a flush, but her range is reasonably wide that I think flushes are a small enough part of her range.

Counterargument: HJ checks back some better hands (AA/KK), I don't beat > 50% of HJ's range (of which I still don't have quite a grasp of), yada yada.

To sum up, I thought most of HJ's range were Qx, of which I beat all and tie another AQ; letting him MUBSY check Qx has me missing value from whatever weird crap BB wants to showdown with. Is this terrible?

So you didn't think there was enough value to jam the turn, but now you think you should lead the river when the obvious draw gets there?

Your either ahead of villains' ranges on the turn and should 3-bet then or your behind on the turn and should just Ch/C this river.

Pre: Fine.

Flop: You've got the initiative in a 3-handed pot with a brick flop. Bet!

Turn: 3-betting on a paired board is spew. The BB could have 2x. Though the more typical play would be to wait for the expert turn raise in lieu of the flop lead, your PF3/Flop check has thrown this hand out of whack). Just call.

River: The river just puts you behind a flush, too. If c/c the turn was correct, the river has not changed that. Cheap showdown, please. Had the river been a brick, I might be tempted to c/r the river since I think we have the nuts.

bump - BB capped pre.

Donk the flop.

lol

So consensus on river is c/c > > b/f > b/c? I feel somehow c/c is leaving value on the table. (but maybe not so with this river?)

b/fing rivers in huge pots if you arent 100% sure is rather silly, so just get to showdown cheap.

and dont be stupid and donk the flop, as suggested earlier.