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08-30-2013 , 10:58 PM
A) Awesome job getting me the stats I wanted. That's perfect.

B) Those are some sexy stats.

C) As you move up you are going to want to add a few pips to your BTN steal percent. Something like 45% is pretty good, a bit more isn't bad either.

D) You are going to want to fold BB to steal less. Something like 35% is going to be optimal in higher stakes games.

E) You are probably going to want to get your VPIP and PFR closer. Not sure if you are playing in games that have a lot of limps, or what. Start raising when you just have one limper in front of you o iso and such. it's a bit hard to say without seeing you play, obviously.

F) Probably be a bit more aggressive. I don't like seeing all of your percentages below 50%. If you are going down as the hand progresses, that is fine, but I don't like seeing flop that low, because it tells me you might not be pushing hands hard enough and just calling too much. Also, this might allow other players to have correct odds to draw out on you.
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08-31-2013 , 01:55 PM
thanks a lot schupick ! i will try to digest what u said and keep improving if i can
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09-08-2013 , 11:24 AM
Hello.

I am new and massively loosing player ;-), if some experienced players could give me some advice on my game I would appreciate it very much.

LHT $0.02/0.04

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09-08-2013 , 12:51 PM
Hey Valen007, your sample is a little small for our usual purposes as we generally prefer 10K samples. You're also missing VP$IP, which is a key stat. However, a set of stats that includes a not positionally aware PFR of ~5% is a sure sign that you could use a starting hand chart. Until you become solid with starting hands, you're going to have trouble winning. Check the FAQ for ideas. Also, a beginner's book might help. We generally recommend Small Stakes Hold'em, though there might be other good choices.

Fix your preflop play, play 10K more hands, and then post the new sample. Do this by filtering out these hands by date, because they'll make your sample look bad for a long time.
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09-08-2013 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DougL
Hey Valen007, your sample is a little small for our usual purposes as we generally prefer 10K samples. You're also missing VP$IP, which is a key stat. However, a set of stats that includes a not positionally aware PFR of ~5% is a sure sign that you could use a starting hand chart. Until you become solid with starting hands, you're going to have trouble winning. Check the FAQ for ideas. Also, a beginner's book might help. We generally recommend Small Stakes Hold'em, though there might be other good choices.

Fix your preflop play, play 10K more hands, and then post the new sample. Do this by filtering out these hands by date, because they'll make your sample look bad for a long time.
Hey DougL, thanks for the response, working on it.
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09-08-2013 , 07:13 PM
Your PFR is 5.5? At 6-max? And you only 3-bet 2.8% of your hands? Dear God.

I would strongly recommend using a chart like this one to get started. It's a little nitty and kinda outdated for today's games, I think, but it's an amazing starting point. Should get you just south of 26/18.
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09-09-2013 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBJames
Your PFR is 5.5? At 6-max? And you only 3-bet 2.8% of your hands? Dear God.

I would strongly recommend using a chart like this one to get started. It's a little nitty and kinda outdated for today's games, I think, but it's an amazing starting point. Should get you just south of 26/18.
JamesBJames, thanks for the advice. What does '3-bet of a hand' mean?Is it when I bet , somebody calls and I reraise? Or just when I do the re-raise and the initial bet was done by smd. else? And what does 26/18 mean? VPIP/PFR stats?
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09-10-2013 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Valen007
What does '3-bet of a hand' mean?

Is it when I bet , somebody calls and I reraise?

Or just when I do the re-raise and the initial bet was done by smd. else?

And what does 26/18 mean? VPIP/PFR stats?
1) It's the percentage of the time that you 3 bet.

2) It's referring to preflop when someone raises, then you reraise, making it 3 bets to play.

3) Yes, I think so.

4) Yes its vpip/pfr.
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10-03-2013 , 04:50 PM
Hi Guys
How are these stats for FR $0.25/$0.50?
I've been fairly pleased with my game but as I put these together I noticed I'm losing loads from the big blind! This can't be normal, where am I going wrong here?
Any other issues to look at? Any other stats you need to see?

Sorry no screenshot. Have done my best to format for readability though.

Position Hands bb/100 VPIP% PFR% 3Bet% Flop CBet% Turn CBet% CC% WTSD% W$SD% W$WSF Agg% Flop Agg% Turn Agg% River Agg%

1) SB 1344 -2.21 34.5 18.3 8.5 88.7 69.7 10.1 31.6 53.2 42.9 48.9 48.5 53.1 43.5

2) BB 1330 -59.37 28.8 7.6 7.1 91.9 78.6 29.5 34.7 51.9 32.5 42.5 38.6 49.5 40.7

3) EP 3632 9.46 9.5 9.4 4.7 83.7 89.5 0.7 43.6 55.2 50.4 61.9 69.9 57.4 53.6

4) MP 2898 9.09 17.9 17 5.8 74.8 85 0 43.2 52.8 43.2 49.8 56.8 50.9 35.7

5) CO 1332 18.67 23.9 20.4 6.5 64.9 85 2.2 28.2 65.7 48.4 48.1 50 53.3 34.6

6) BU 1360 21.26 24.7 19 10.9 75.4 87.5 2.7 38.2 56.4 44.4 45.6 47.9 47.4 37.9

ALL 11896 2.74 19.8 14.4 7.5 79.2 82.8 8.2 36.5 54.5 41.7 48.5 49.9 51.6 40.8
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10-03-2013 , 06:45 PM
Those stats look pretty nice at first glance.

I assume 79% flop c-bet is totally fine at full-ring, but I think you have to slow down on the turn. 82.8% turn c-bet is insanely high. I used to have a really similar problem. Like, it's okay to check back the turn HU in a lot of spots. It's okay to give up barreling on certain flop textures multiway. At any rate, I feel like you shouldn't be betting the turn MORE than you're betting the flop.

A CC% of 29.5% also seems really low from the blinds. I play 6-max and have twice that. Are you not defending much? Are you folding suited cards and medium connected cards in MW pots?

You might want to get WTSD a touch higher as you move up to $.5/1 and $1/2, but people are straightforward enough at $.25/$.5 that you're not gonna get exploited for b/fing a lot.

Last edited by JamesBJames; 10-03-2013 at 07:11 PM.
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10-04-2013 , 01:15 AM
Thanks JamesBJames
Good to know. I'll take a look at my turn betting and my blind defence. Is my loss rate normal from the big blind then?

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10-04-2013 , 01:51 AM
Looking at my 1/2 6-max database, I have -8.75BB/100 from the SB and -19.55BB/100 from the BB. I dunno what a proper benchmark is for that, though, and it's possible you could just be running bad over a small amount of hands.

As for stats from the BB, my VPIP/PFR/3-bet is 42/16/10. 6-max, of course, but it leads some credence to you folding your blind too much. In loose, fishy full ring games, I think your VPIP from the big blind should be even higher.
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10-04-2013 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBJames
Looking at my 1/2 6-max database, I have -8.75BB/100 from the SB and -19.55BB/100 from the BB. I dunno what a proper benchmark is for that, though, and it's possible you could just be running bad over a small amount of hands.

As for stats from the BB, my VPIP/PFR/3-bet is 42/16/10. 6-max, of course, but it leads some credence to you folding your blind too much. In loose, fishy full ring games, I think your VPIP from the big blind should be even higher.
how many hands?
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10-04-2013 , 02:06 AM
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how many hands?
120000 total when I filter out FR, around 23000 hands from the BB.
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10-04-2013 , 02:26 AM
Thinking about it my VPIP/PFR should be higher than in my SB with the extra half bet in and slight positional improvement.
I'm also only making a marginal loss in the SB.
Definitely need to work on my BB range!

I'll check my 6 max stats too for comparison. Sample is a little small so I won't post them.
I'm making a pretty terrible loss at 6max. Wonder if the fact I'm playing more BBs per orbit and playing them poorly is a major factor . . .

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10-04-2013 , 02:47 PM
I think the river aggression is a bit too low as well. I think you might be missing some values pots, but that's hard to tell without seeing hands, obviously.
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03-15-2014 , 03:46 PM
Maybe it needs less fixing and more tweaking/improving, but I really feel like I have to be doing something wrong, especially since I just ran the numbers and it turns out I'm only getting raked about 2BB/100 somehow??? that seems really low. I think under normal circumstances I'd be getting eaten alive by rake, and probably breaking even overall.





So the obvious thing here that I can spot is FBB. It seems astronomically high. But given the passive nature of most of the opponents, it seems like its not wrong. Other merge players with good winrates at this stake like lukang or kittymrow seem to have similar FBB numbers.
I'm not really familiar with what numbers all these stats should look like, I'm not really sure whats going wrong here, but it seems like my game consists of breaking even or losing small amounts until i hit a huge rush, and then rinse/repeat.
If i can't get up to something like 4-5BB/100 at this stake, I'm probably going to get eaten up when I try to level up.

Any advice?
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03-16-2014 , 11:31 AM
In some ways this seems like a subtle brag (I'm only beating this stake for 2 BB/100........).
Not that beating 0.05/0.10 is a huge accomplishment, but 2 BB/100 is a respectable winrate. Could you potentially be beating it for more? Sure. But where did you get the idea that you need to be crushing a stake for 4-5 BB/100 before you can safely move up?

I'm sure expert players could beat 0.05/0.10 for ~5 BB/100 (or higher); but even the merely "excellent" players may potentially struggle to hit a 5 BB/100 winrate after rake. And frankly, if your goal is to be moving up to your highest beatable stake, you have no business sticking around a stake you can crush for that kind of winrate. If you actually can manage 4+ BB/100 winrate long-term, you probably belong at least 2-3 stakes higher.

What I note of your stats:
You appear a little overly tight for 6max from all positions (not by a lot, but by a little). I know the dynamic of this stake might be skewing the pfr numbers down a bit: I imagine there are more spots with maybe a raise and a cc'er before the action hits you, where cc'ing may look favorable to 3betting (which might also be accounting for what appears to be an overly low 3bet% and somewhat large gap between vpip and pfr), but still......even your UTG and HJ raise %'s look a little low.
So it could be you err on the side of caution and are dropping some playable hands (particularly when ip) pf.

I'm more familiar with Agg% than AFq, but at any rate I note your aggression steadily drops as we head toward the river. This might indicate you get a little mubsy toward the end of a hand (and might be missing some slim value bets).

Other than that, your stats look very reasonable to me. Nothing glaringly wrong anyway (though I'd wait for more studious opinions than mine for the final word). But if you're rolled at $60+, I'd say you're ready to move up to 0.10/0.20.
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03-16-2014 , 01:34 PM
Folding BB to a steal 50% of the time seems like a leak to me. I would defend more.
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03-16-2014 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Cranberry Tea
Folding BB to a steal 50% of the time seems like a leak to me. I would defend more.
Meant to mention this, too. 100% agree.
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03-16-2014 , 08:15 PM
Yeah FBB seemed like the obvious choice of a leak, although i'm not 100% convinced this is a real leak for the stake. I am conciously folding more hands to passives with <20% overall steal rates, and there are a LOT of those players. I am constantly playing BB for free.

I'm also not entirely convinced I'm playing button right either given that its not my highest profiting position, but maybe 20k is too small a sample size to determine this, but it still irks me every time i look at my BU profits.

Can confirm that i'm missing plenty of thin river bets. I'm still trying to overcome shyness to get turn cbet above 70, I've heard low turn cbets are one of the easiest exploits, and even the most passive noobs can spot and execute a good exploit bet here on a regular basis if your Fcbet is above 85%ish Tcbet is under like 64% or something like that(??). Even if i'm in that neighborhood, breaking even doesn't appeal to me, so I think I'd like to raise the number.

River likely has even worse problems, and I'm constantly seeing hindsight 20/20 on some of these rivers like "yep, shoulda 3barreled". without initiative, I give up most of my 'showdown value' misses to a 2 barrel a lot, and i expect others to throw theirs away here as well. Apparently theres a large portion of these shmucks that don't share my opinion, and I need to learn to spot these players.
Also I do all of my bluff inducement on the river, especially wet boards that missed everything. This accounts for another significant chunk of that low Rcbet.

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03-16-2014 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by beerstorm
Yeah FBB seemed like the obvious choice of a leak, although i'm not 100% convinced this is a real leak for the stake. I am conciously folding more hands to passives with <20% overall steal rates, and there are a LOT of those players. I am constantly playing BB for free.
Your homework assignment is to

A. Find a poker equity calculator.
B. Figure out how much equity a 20% range has over a 50% range.
C. Figure out what your immediate pot odds are in a steal situation.
D. Report your findings, showing your work.
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03-17-2014 , 04:51 AM
I will do this (not now, tired work tomorrow). changing the assignment slightly since part B doesn't seem particularly fair. I will instead do this. Calculate necessary BB defense range to maintain at least 35% equity for any given hole cards against attempt to steal CO: 15%, BU: 25%, SB: 30%

We'll see what it looks like, and I have a feeling I'm right about this, unless you want to bump it down to 33% equity since they play so badly (allegedly), in which case the results are probably a lot more interesting.
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03-17-2014 , 08:08 AM
Steal more. Something like 35%/45% CO/BTN

Proly going to need to 3-bet more pre

CBet flop less

So BB fold to steal is a little interesting. I don't hate folding as much as you are, because at these stakes people are not stealing near wide enough. As you move up to 1/2 and such then you need to make an adjustment, but to be completely honest, at these levels I just don't feel it's needed.
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03-17-2014 , 10:48 AM
He's stealing from BTN 40% of the time, and his CBet flop seems reasonable to me.
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