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05-06-2013 , 10:39 PM
Way to passive post flop.
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05-07-2013 , 06:15 AM
stop folding yo.
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08-23-2013 , 09:15 AM
Below I post my stats. I am playing at the moment .02/.04 Full ring cash games. I would appreciate very much if more experienced players then me would take a look on them and give some suggestions on what can be improved.
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08-23-2013 , 09:24 AM
Is the flop cbet % skewed because of people betting into you as the preflop raiser? Are you cbetting the flop 100%? I think you should when it's heads up and 3 way.
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08-23-2013 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
Is the flop cbet % skewed because of people betting into you as the preflop raiser? Are you cbetting the flop 100%? I think you should when it's heads up and 3 way.
I usually c-bet the flop when the pot is heads-up and 3-way. The problem is that very often there are 5 or 6 people in the pot on the flop, even after my preflop raise, and in such cases I tend to play more catiously, especially if I have two high cards like AK-AJ which did not pair the with flop
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08-23-2013 , 09:37 AM
[QUOTE=Pupsiatyk;39856432 The problem is that very often there are 5 or 6 people in the pot on the flop, [/QUOTE]

6 players to the flop for two bets? What's the problem again?
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08-23-2013 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
6 players to the flop for two bets? What's the problem again?
It is not a problem, I like it actually I was writing from the perspective of c-betting the flop. I don't fell comfortable cbetting the flop with lets say AK when It does not catch the cards on the flop and there are 4 or 5 other guys in the pot.
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08-23-2013 , 09:52 AM
FWIW I don't play FR anymore. I think the ratio between your VPIP and PFR is too wide. You should be raising and 3betting more. Also seem to be ccpf a lot which may be a byproduct of 4-5 coldcallers in front of you. I would be curious what kind of hands you cc with.
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08-23-2013 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by nyrugby
FWIW I don't play FR anymore. I think the ratio between your VPIP and PFR is too wide. You should be raising and 3betting more. Also seem to be ccpf a lot which may be a byproduct of 4-5 coldcallers in front of you. I would be curious what kind of hands you cc with.
usually those are high Aces - AK-AJ, suited broadway, and suited connectors 54s+, if there are a lot of callers in front of me
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08-23-2013 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Pupsiatyk
usually those are high Aces - AK-AJ, suited broadway, and suited connectors 54s+, if there are a lot of callers in front of me
Definitely 3 bet AKo in these spots 100%. Depending on the action and the number of callers, I might 3 bet AJo as well; if there were 2 limps and a raise from an aggressive player on my right, then I'd 3 bet AJo; if there was an utg raise and a couple coldcallers, I'd probably fold AJo. Stove work is necessary to get these spots down.
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08-23-2013 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
Definitely 3 bet AKo in these spots 100%. Depending on the action and the number of callers, I might 3 bet AJo as well; if there were 2 limps and a raise from an aggressive player on my right, then I'd 3 bet AJo; if there was an utg raise and a couple coldcallers, I'd probably fold AJo. Stove work is necessary to get these spots down.
Definitely shouldn't be cc with AKo in these spots. The other hands are villain dependent. A wise man (DougL) once told me never ccfi wouldn't be wrong. With a utg raise and a couple of coldcallers I like 44 76s and similar hands better than AJo
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08-23-2013 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
6 players to the flop for two bets? What's the problem again?
I still don't think this is true.
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08-23-2013 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Pupsiatyk
Below I post my stats. I am playing at the moment .02/.04 Full ring cash games. I would appreciate very much if more experienced players then me would take a look on them and give some suggestions on what can be improved.
My input is mostly just seconding what others have said. Note-worthy trends I see:

1) The gap between vpip and pfr seems too large. I realize some of that is the stakes: a) with several limpers in there will be hands that are attractive to overlimp (that would otherwise be a raise or a fold). b) if there's a raise and then a cc'er or two by the time the action reaches you, there are hands you'd cc with (that you should otherwise 3bet if you were the first one in after the raise)........but even with those considerations in mind I don't think that would account for the size of the gap. And you've indicated you're cc'ing some hands that are standard 3bets for value (even multiway), like AKo.

As has been voiced: if you NEVER cc'ed first in after the raise, you'd only very rarely be making a mistake. Very important point. I'm guessing there are also hands you overlimp that you'd be better off raising (both for value and perhaps to buy the BTN if you're on the CO or HJ).

2) That flop cbet% does seem awfully low. Def you don't want to be cbetting indiscriminately 4-way/5-way or more, and maybe as you say that's the only reason it's down......but again, I'm skeptical, because it seems REALLY low.
If you were to cbet the flop 100% of the time you're HU, you'd probably be making a mistake 2-3% of the time (at most). If you cbet 3way 100% of the time, you'd likely be making a mistake less than 30% of the time (I'm just estimating on these numbers, but I suspect they're fairly accurate). Just food for thought.....

3) Work on your positional awareness. That there's only a 5% difference between your EP vpip and BTN vpip, and that your pfr is basically static (right in the 8-9% vicinity) from all positions is a HUGE red flag.
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08-24-2013 , 06:43 AM
Thank you very much for all the comments and input. I got a bit of homework to do now ;-)
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08-27-2013 , 12:44 PM
[IMG]http://s24.************/b5ijtqcol/stats.jpg[/IMG]

Limit is 0.02/0.04 . Flops withouth atleast 6 people are rare, where do you think I should improve?
Some Ideas I saw a few days ago was open limping Axs/22-66/23s-9Ts EP, Raising more hands like Kxs,Q8s+ from late pos but I still haven't tested either of them.
Thanks in advance for the input
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08-27-2013 , 12:52 PM
here are mine: same nick as ps. what do you think?

10-20

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25-50

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50-1

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1-2 HU

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2-4 HU low low hands

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HU sucks
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08-27-2013 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by altaircho
[IMG]http://s24.************/b5ijtqcol/stats.jpg[/IMG]

Limit is 0.02/0.04 . Flops withouth atleast 6 people are rare, where do you think I should improve?
Some Ideas I saw a few days ago was open limping Axs/22-66/23s-9Ts EP, Raising more hands like Kxs,Q8s+ from late pos but I still haven't tested either of them.
Thanks in advance for the input
I leave the stats for the vets, they will have better suggestions than me. However I think the sample size is a bit too low to drive far going conclusions. Concerning open-limping with the hands you wrote (Axs/22-66/23s-9Ts), I would do that only at the loose-passive tables where you are pretty sure none will raise after you, because you want to see the flop for cheap and you also want people limp behind you into the pot to make those hand profitable.

Last edited by Pupsiatyk; 08-27-2013 at 02:59 PM.
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08-27-2013 , 02:55 PM
also i see pretty nitty stats from the BTN relative to your CO stats, and very low vpip from bb

Last edited by WhiskyCoke; 08-27-2013 at 03:10 PM.
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08-27-2013 , 03:13 PM
Fairly nitty VPIP and PFR for 6 max. Those aggregate numbers look more like FR play, and even still your VPIP isn't very close to your PFR. You're overlimping when you should raise, or you're cold calling too much (CCPF isn't on your picture).
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08-27-2013 , 03:37 PM
Stats are for full ring. I'm overlimping hands like A2s-A5s, K2-K8s, Off suited Conectors, S1G,S2G, but not 100%.CC-11%(about 16% from the blinds, Close to 7 from MP/Late pos) I'm Cold calling with some of those if I'm sure the flop is gonna be atleast 5+, as for the Almost same stats on CO and BTN, I'm not sure what other hands can work well multiway(5+) besides SCs, S1Gs,S2Gs,Axs,Kxs, Any Broadway, OC etc.
As for the BB, well I have nothing to say about that,Guess I should loosen up a lot more.
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08-28-2013 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiskyCoke
here are mine: same nick as ps. what do you think?

10-20

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25-50

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50-1

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1-2 HU

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2-4 HU low low hands

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HU sucks
Don't play HU at that low of a level. From what I understand 3/6 is the first really beatable level with rake considerations.

As for the stats from the other spoilers:

I need more stats. I need stl%, FBBtS%, stuff like that. As many detailed stats as you can get. Look at other posts from respected posters to get a good idea. You are getting destroyed out fo the blinds, so I want to know why, but need more information.
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08-28-2013 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by altaircho
[IMG]http://s24.************/b5ijtqcol/stats.jpg[/IMG]

Limit is 0.02/0.04 . Flops withouth atleast 6 people are rare, where do you think I should improve?
Some Ideas I saw a few days ago was open limping Axs/22-66/23s-9Ts EP, Raising more hands like Kxs,Q8s+ from late pos but I still haven't tested either of them.
Thanks in advance for the input
They look okay for your level, but I notice a few things that you will have to do when you move up in stakes:

Try not to overlimp as much. Make sure the pot will go off 5 ways or so if you are going to make a habit of this.

Your EP VPIP and raise is too high. You should be closer to 11% there, and it shows that your are semi-posistionally aware, but not enough so.

Turn Cbet and River Cbet are probably too high. It's a little hard to tell, but it's what i am guessing right now.
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08-28-2013 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by altaircho
[IMG]http://s24.************/b5ijtqcol/stats.jpg[/IMG]

Limit is 0.02/0.04 . Flops withouth atleast 6 people are rare, where do you think I should improve?
Some Ideas I saw a few days ago was open limping Axs/22-66/23s-9Ts EP, Raising more hands like Kxs,Q8s+ from late pos but I still haven't tested either of them.
Thanks in advance for the input
Not enough hands to say anything. I believe OP says at least 10K hands
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08-29-2013 , 03:05 PM
Thanks for the posts about my stats.Yea the number is indeed rather low so I'll post again once I get 10k+.
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08-29-2013 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by A_Schupick
Don't play HU at that low of a level. From what I understand 3/6 is the first really beatable level with rake considerations.

As for the stats from the other spoilers:

I need more stats. I need stl%, FBBtS%, stuff like that. As many detailed stats as you can get. Look at other posts from respected posters to get a good idea. You are getting destroyed out fo the blinds, so I want to know why, but need more information.

i tried this, i dont understandt to read other stats , i hope it helps. posting only 25/50 because it has the most hands. thanks for the response !

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