fwiw - in general that's where I start - and then tweak it a bit for position, open limp vs over limp, etc..

for example someone may open limp from utg a hand that they would raise from the button, or they might open limp from the button with a hand they would fold from utg...
so just subtracting PFR from VPIP isn't necessarily the whole story

lets assume these are their co stats and they are in the co.

Well then if you have a large enough sample for positional stats to converge then you also will know if they do anything funky like limp-reraise AA/KK. So let's also assume he's straightforward in this respect.

So here's what the simple subtraction gives us



However at my typical stakes a villain is more likely to have the small pp's and more sc's in his range so I would adjust it to look more like this



Again - I'm no genius, it's just how I currently do it...

HI guys,

I'm a big dirty live fish and haven't got much of a clue with what i'm doing online. I thought you guys could help me out.

After having holdem manager for about 4 years I recently realised I could customise stats and as I want to play limit I thought you could let me know if I am on the right track

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Also, I was going to customise them with colours but I realised that I don't really know what normal values are and I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction with that.

Thanks

Too much imo - I had a 4 line HUD when I started and found that it became a crutch
and actually hindered my progress in hand reading and ranging villains because I was attempting to interpret the stats more than I was watching and understanding the table dynamics and actions being taken.

imo, try to keep it to one or two lines or else you will be spending too much time at the table trying to look at the villains stats rather than watching how they are actually playing.

I'm down to one simple line of stats:

I think VPIP/PFR/AF are pretty standard
I have 3bet in there (although this is another stat that takes a bit longer to converge and where notes are going to be more valuable - I don't look at this stat very often tbh)
I also like ATS, fsbts, and fbbts - these are really helpful in deciding what ranges you can defend/steal with
and I have wtsd to help judge showdown bound-ness

I would dump "limp" and just take a note the first few times he does it and eventually consolidate them into a note like "open limps ep and mp w/ sm pp's and med sc's"

flop cbet is pretty useless since most players will already cbet close to 100% up to 3way
and will check 4way+ without a made hand - it will be rare that this stat will stick out and provide any value - if you see a villain check back after a pfr a few times (especially into a a small field) then just take a note "plays passive post after pfr" - a low Total AF will sort of indicate this tendency anyway.


fold to flop cbet is also fairly useless imo - if a villain is folding a lot to cbets you should already have a note that says "plays fit or fold on flop" - also imo your better off looking at wtsd in correlation to their VPIP number to see how showdown bound they are with what relative strength.

dump the donk bet stats and take notes - notes on what they donk with are WAYYyyy more useful - notes like "Donks TP only" or "Donks any pair + draws" are necessary to make decisions - you can't make decisions just based on this number

I also ended up dumping af by street - total af is usually a good enuf indicator and you want to focus on hand reading and board textures more than you want to try to interpret these stats.

I also ended up dumping wsd and w$sd but only because I didn't get any real value from having them in front of me - again notes like "showdown Ahi on dry boards" are gonna tell you a lot more

My 2c fwiw

Have we ever established what a reasonable BB/100 is out of the BB and the SB for 6Max? I vaguely recall this being discussed in the past but am not sure if there was any consensus.

Alright guys here's my stats after 10k hands and still have no clue what I'm doing help me please lol. WTSD = 35.95, W$SD = 53.07, and AF = 2.2



Oh and too lazy to post a new pic lol but WTSD = 35.95 (too low I'm guessing) , W$SD = 53.07, and AF = 2.2

Paying 4BB/100 in rake, you probably don't have to defend BB 70%. These are pretty reasonable stats for a mid-stakes LAGTAG. Your AF is probably a tiny bit high for someone who is playing this wide open -- you have the goods less often than a standard TAG, you're flopping more marginal hands, etc. Look for spots where you're bluffing with the best hand, passing on inducing bluffs, etc. Not a big deal and AF can be driven by passive opponents.

21% UTG seems pretty wide. I don't mind being loose/nuts in position. I'd prefer to be a little more picky in EP.

bump this q

Curious about this too. I'm (25.1) in BB (1.1) in SB Don't Know if that's good, bad or standard

I'm (22) and (15) respectively.

i'm -18 and -3 since bf (merge and cake) and filtered for 3-6 players = a bit over 9k hands each...

Hmmmm....small sample but it looks like I have issues in the SB.

FYI sample size on mine is around 30K hands

I meant small sample of people posting their results, but if we take you guys to be the norm then it would indicate that I have leaks in the SB that are worth investigating.

me and nyr being the norm - ha!

LOL Welcome back

These numbers very much depend on your exact filter... 3-6 handed numbers are very different to 5-6 handed numbers in my experience (or 3-4 handed numbers obv). Make sure you're talking about the same filter settings.

The results also depend on your stakes... the higher the stakes the more aggressive people get at blind stealing (generally).

+1

Really hard to read absolute #s here. You opponents, preferred game types, and lolsample + kittens.

True, but there has to be some BB/100 out of the SB that we should be able to achieve. I am confused why it is so difficult to come to a consensus.

FWIW, my number were filter for 3-6 handed also.

You just agreed with what Grommit and I said after ignoring it. No, there doesn't have to be this:
You said you filtered 3-6 handed. How much 3 handed do you play? How good are you opponents at using position. When playing 6 handed, how many pots are limped to you... all this to ask about game conditions.

exactly 6 handed -- SB winning at -9.76BB/100 in ~15K hands
exactly 3 handed -- SB winning at +0.90BB/100 in ~4K hands

So, want a number? Shoot for winning in the SB. my 200k hand database shows you can, QED. Seriously, I'm over 300k hands in this DB and my 6 handed SB sample is still a lolworthy 15K hands. I've got great games mixed in with tough Stars 5/T hands. I wouldn't draw any conclusions from the WR. Working on my game in the last 3-4 years, I'm a much stronger player in the blinds. I'm lost a lot less often, and I make better decisions. That should be things you look for.

I'd guess anything around -10BB/100 would be fine in the SB. Maybe 15 would be fine. Since you need a vast sample size to use win rate stats, even if the games were relatively the same day to day, I'd recommend other tools for looking at leaks. You lose 25-30BB/100 and I'd think you're probably over defending. For a student, I'd look at cc% vs. 3!% and look for leaks that way.

Mod please feel free to delete this post if needed...

I'd like to post my stats to get some feedback... is there someone who can tell me how to post an image of stats from PT3? Feel free to PM me if that will keep the board clear

Thanks

I use a tool called Gyazo (you can find it on google)
You just drag over the area you want (like stats by position) and it creates an image with a link you can post itt

I'm -19.44 (BB) & -7.28 (SB), filtered for 6M.

Hopefully this I managed to do this correctly...

These are my stats from 16k hands... any comments and suggestions as to what/how I am doing would be much appreciated.

I'm still in the learning process of what the different terms mean and how they are important.

Thanks in advance