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Old 04-13-2010, 02:07 PM   #76
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Re: OFFICIAL MicroStakesLIMIT stats thread (part 2)

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Cut back the cold-calling. 3! more, instead. ATS is low. Look for steal opportunities in the SB - you can easily get above 50% for SB ATS. Major thing (IMO) is to open up your PFR range in EP. I think you can pretty easily get to 8-10%. Basically, take your UTG+2 range and slide it over to UTG (minus maybe a couple hands).

Still a lot of this ^^, OTA.

Probably move up if your BR is good for it (maybe after working a few k hands on these things?)

Perhaps not so much this, atm.
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Edit: And cut back the tables/hours, IMO. How many of each are you playing?

2nd Edit: I did the rough math, 10 hours/day 12-13 tabling? Blah, no wonder...
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Old 04-13-2010, 02:16 PM   #77
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Re: OFFICIAL MicroStakesLIMIT stats thread (part 2)

more like 6-7 hours 16-22 tables,I think the volume is getting to me as well though.
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Old 04-13-2010, 03:03 PM   #78
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Re: OFFICIAL MicroStakesLIMIT stats thread (part 2)

Hey guys,

I have poted stats in the olf thread for .25/.50 6 max but have played more hands sence and have different thing id like to ask , hope its alright to repost them if not , Sorry,

Passive play kind of works out well in the .1/.2 games cause the players are worse and they tend to do the betting themselves , but @ .25/.5 not being more aggresive is i think what is causeing the difference in the 2 winrates, Is there any thing any1 can say about my stats @.25/.5 to indicate spots i should be more aggresive in , Should i be showing down more @ .25/.5 , I rem reading somewhere on 2+2 before that an AFq of 40 or less is considered bad and that 55% is about right , i am wondering how do i get to 55% from where i am now, If there is any other stats i should post please let me know, TY in advance,




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Old 04-13-2010, 03:17 PM   #79
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Re: OFFICIAL MicroStakesLIMIT stats thread (part 2)

ozi, why blank out the winnings? You know we could just determine it by the bb/100.
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Old 04-13-2010, 03:32 PM   #80
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sheekst, you might just be running bad. The only one stat that pops out to me is your flop cbet percentage. I like to keep mine in the range of 85-90%. One thing you will learn as you get more experience is that everybody at that stakes calls down lightly and there are alot of multi-way pots. The negative side of that is that it's way harder to raise to protect your hand; therefore, a lot of people in the pot are getting good odds to draw to two pair, trips, and backdoor flushes. The positive side of course is that if you don't get sucked out on, you take down a big pot. When you are in a hand, you should try to figure how good your hand is equity wise compared to the board. Sometimes a c-bet is just a flat out bluff. Against the wrong opponents, double barrel bluffing to make the other person fold the best hand does not work when you are against calling stations. Also, you have to think about all the times you are c-betting into two-four people. You could save a bet there.

About vpip/pfr, i try not to get caught up w/ what mine should be. The games can be kind of diverse when you multi-table. I could be at a table full of nitty tags, but have a donater to my right. So i would probably be raising more than 20 percent of my hands to isolate. Or, i might be in a really juicy game where there is a 76/10 to my left and 90/5 to my right. I try to discipline myself so i dont' raise marginal hands when i know that there is a 9/10 that i'm going to be coldcalled and up against a non-foldy, showdown-bound player.

The best thing you can do for this limit is learn how to hand read and develop your edges postflop (i.e.- learn what type of opponents to checkraise, know when your midpair isn't good, etc.) Eventually, you will learn on what type of boards a three-barrel bluff is successful. It will all come together.

Stealing too is another thing that caught my eye. I steal around 38 percent, but it's kind of misleading. I see regs all the time stealing w/ garbage against me. It's kind of insulting sometimes. Who you steal against could be a leak. You should try to get into more hands w/ fish, but try to steer clear of raising marginal hands against a reg. Unless the reg folds more than 50 percent of the time. After you acct for the rake, those types of players become really profitable to steal against.

Good luck

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Old 04-13-2010, 03:39 PM   #81
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Re: OFFICIAL MicroStakesLIMIT stats thread (part 2)

Thank you for that Distajo, I kind of cbet every flop hu or 3 handed cause i read it in WITHG, (lol @.25/.5 being a tough holdem game i know) , is it massivly wrong to be doing it at these stakes,
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Old 04-13-2010, 03:43 PM   #82
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Exactly. A lot of the stuff is applicable from WITHG, but the semi-bluffing when you catch a flush draw card on the turn play does not work enough to make it a profitable play imo. No fold equity

I wouldn't say it's massively wrong. But as you get better at hand reading, you will see why it's pointless. It's hard to cbet into 3 people out of position on a very drawish board.

I edited my last post and added something about stealing.
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Old 04-13-2010, 05:09 PM   #83
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My game stats, doing good. Room for improvement?

Hi

I have been successfully making money since the beginning of the year.
I deposited $50, I am now @ $380. I have played over 10000 hands.
I basically have been playing only at $0.25/0.50 limit poker. I'm now planning to switch to $0.50/1 tables.

It would be nice to get some feedback of my game.

The stats are following:
I have won 12% of my hands.
My flop % is below 20. Preflop raise is 15%.
I have won 38% of hands when I saw flop.
10% of my hands went to showdown, however 56% of showdowns I have won.

Comment and thoughts are welcome.
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Old 04-13-2010, 05:12 PM   #84
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My thought is you need to find the stat thread. That is were this post belongs.

Welcome to the forum.

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Old 04-13-2010, 06:46 PM   #85
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ozi, why blank out the winnings? You know we could just determine it by the bb/100.
it was a half assed attempt to disguise my digust at my $ results at 2/4 mostly for my own sanity plus i figured people wouldnt be bothered looking doing that but would see my bb/100 as a guide that ive got some work to do and/or variance working against me.

last night i went over the stats of a winning reg and apart from a few subtle things many of our numbers were the very similar...its kind of frustrating tbh but based on the comments ive gotten and my analysis of my play/stats ive got a few tweaks to do to get where i want to be

thx all
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Old 04-13-2010, 06:53 PM   #86
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Re: OFFICIAL MicroStakesLIMIT stats thread (part 2)

Ozi, some of those tweaks might involve not playing furbean or fua.
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Old 04-13-2010, 07:17 PM   #87
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Old 04-15-2010, 03:34 AM   #88
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Re: OFFICIAL MicroStakesLIMIT stats thread (part 2)

1700 hands into my 10k goal so I can get some real help... Im a PokerTracker newb also essentially so Im gonna need some help screen shotting and posting right stats...
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Old 04-15-2010, 04:28 AM   #89
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If your in vista you can use the Snipping Tool in accessories to take a screen shot. It's vaguely annoying but if you preset the window(like reduce column width so all fits in one picture) you want to screen shot ahead of time that makes it easier.
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Old 04-15-2010, 04:38 AM   #90
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Exactly. A lot of the stuff is applicable from WITHG, but the semi-bluffing when you catch a flush draw card on the turn play does not work enough to make it a profitable play imo. No fold equity
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Old 04-15-2010, 10:15 AM   #91
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Been on a pretty wicked losing streak as as fairly obvious from my stats. Anything that looks like a massive leak to anyone? I'm at the point where I don't think whats going on is just runbad.
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Old 04-15-2010, 03:26 PM   #92
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Runic that looks pretty solid to me, post some hands imo but it seems like runbad to me. I mean WTSD is probably a pip too low and CCPF a pip too high, but nothing that's causing you to bleed chips.
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Old 04-16-2010, 03:10 AM   #93
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10k hand re-post, yahhh.



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As for your stats, it's good that you've reduced your cold-calling so drastically. Some stuff I see right off the bat still:

At .25/.5 - and at FR to add - it looks like you're going to showdown entirely too often. I'd post a few hands where you question whether or not you should see showdown, because it's possible that you're being too stubborn and never folding.
Sigh. my WTSD stayed constant, don't know if an increased W$SD can compensate for that.

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You're only c-betting the flop 88% of the time, which seems really low. Are you just in a ton of 4-way+ pots with bad people, are you checking and giving up too quickly, etc.?
If i have aggression on flop i'll bet almost every time against 2. Lately though i've had fish where i raise AQ pf and get a Kxx board. or AJs on a KQx board 3+ way.

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Have you ironed out most of your PF play yet? Your PF stats look a lot better, but I saw that one post in the SN grinders thread where you had, what, K4s in the SB, and you called 2.5 bets after a raise and a 3!? If you're doing that kind of stuff regularly, you're going to end up bleeding money.
I'm still not sure what to make of my SB. I posted my range on page 4, but didn't hear back.
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Old 04-16-2010, 06:25 AM   #94
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Sigh. my WTSD stayed constant, don't know if an increased W$SD can compensate for that.
Rush WTSDs tend to be a bit higher because of the number of HU pots post-flop. But yours still looks a bit high. That, along with the low total AF, suggests too many call downs, especially with weak holdings in the blinds.

Even Stox doesn't recommend defending your BB with J5o against a 20% stealer...

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I'm still not sure what to make of my SB. I posted my range on page 4, but didn't hear back.
I, for one, couldn't understand it.

It looks like you are defending your SB 35% of the time, but only 3!-ing at 7%. That's too much passive defense, letting in the BB for cheap. Tighten up more and, if you are going to defend, do it with a 3! to knock out the BB and get dead money in the pot.
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Old 04-16-2010, 10:15 AM   #95
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RuNic:

Your VPIP is fine, but I think you should narrow the gap between your VPIP and PFR a bit. Your 3 bet seems a bit low and your CCPF seems a bit high imo. I don't know the magic number for those. Just my opinion. Changing some of the hands you ccpf with and 3 bet would be best.


It looks like you really need to work on your play from the SB. You're almost better off just mucking every time. What's your Fold SB to ATS %? I would def increase your ATS from sb. A lot. To at least 50%
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Old 04-16-2010, 11:50 AM   #96
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I would def increase your ATS from sb. A lot. To at least 50%
wow yeah I didn't notice that, lot of value being lost there
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:30 PM   #97
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stats check, please. i know im doing something wrong
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:50 PM   #98
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Murderface, I dont know everyone yet here so what blind level is this?Im assuming FR?
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Old 04-16-2010, 12:51 PM   #99
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Murderface, I dont know everyone yet here so what blind level is this?Im assuming FR?
yes, .25/.50 fr
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Old 04-16-2010, 01:00 PM   #100
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Im no expert,but to me looks like a few too many early position hands,not enough late position hands.Also I think the continuation bet % could be a little higher,unless your playing .1/.2 or lower.I play about 26% from the button,and they think I'm pretty nitty.

I'm sure 1 of these big dogs will weigh in behind me.Good luck at the tables!

I recently made some changes,with good success,will post them later today.
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