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10-16-2010 , 09:08 PM
Hi, I'm new to stats analysis in general, and was wondering what I should be looking for in terms of the following numbers?



35/19 seems LAG - is it too LAG?

How about my W$SD being around 52?

I know the sample size is pretty small - I just started playing (with a $2 PS credit) - there's some more info at the following thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...2011-a-896056/

Thanks for the advice.
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10-16-2010 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by scelsi
Hi, I'm new to stats analysis in general, and was wondering what I should be looking for in terms of the following numbers?
welcome scelsi

you will find a whole thread dedicated to stats here -> http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/35...rt-2-a-754144/

read it from top to bottom and post your stats in ther after about 10k
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10-16-2010 , 09:27 PM
awesome thanks for the link!
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10-27-2010 , 04:53 AM
hi i playing 0.1/0.2 in last 2 month with 0 winrate. I worry about my w$wsf = 33-35%. may be it's becose many multiway pots and no fold equity. it's normal or to less?
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10-27-2010 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by MAPTu
hi i playing 0.1/0.2 in last 2 month with 0 winrate. I worry about my w$wsf = 33-35%. may be it's becose many multiway pots and no fold equity. it's normal or to less?
i need a whole heck of a lot more than that to work with. Post stats like other have in this thread and then we will see.
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10-27-2010 , 10:07 AM
my stats
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10-27-2010 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MAPTu
my stats
6 max or FR?
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10-27-2010 , 12:32 PM
6 max. i know i to tight. i start week ago play on stox chart, but some hands to weak to play on fishy table, when i got cold call to often. what about w$wsf? how i can increase him?
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10-27-2010 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MAPTu
my stats
You are way too tight, those are my FR, stats, thus you really need to pen up your 6M game. You need to steal more, i want to see that number more around 45% (BTN and CO looks like the best place to aim for those, as your SB look fine, imo.).... also 3! a whole heck of a lot more. aim for around 8%-10%.

I'm curious as to your Fold BB to steal %.

You need to bet more. Your agg. fr% is way to low, you proly want it more in the high 40's.... and considering how low your agg. is, your AF is too high, which tells me you are folding way to much and not peeling enough flops, or turns. You need to get a better handle on pot odds and when you need to peel. You are to fit-or-foldy it would seem, so that's an easy fix.
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10-27-2010 , 01:18 PM
ok, thx
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10-27-2010 , 10:46 PM
My stats (mostly .05/.10 FL 6-max, just started .1/.2 around 9500 hands):

Graph



Levels/Stats





...thoughts?
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10-28-2010 , 07:34 AM
[\QUOTE]You need to bet more. Your agg. fr% is way to low, you proly want it more in the high 40's.... and considering how low your agg. is, your AF is too high, which tells me you are folding way to much and not peeling enough flops, or turns. You need to get a better handle on pot odds and when you need to peel. You are to fit-or-foldy it would seem, so that's an easy fix.[/QUOTE]

how much Agg% is optimal on flop, turn, river? 40-50?
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10-28-2010 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by MAPTu
[\QUOTE]You need to bet more. Your agg. fr% is way to low, you proly want it more in the high 40's.... and considering how low your agg. is, your AF is too high, which tells me you are folding way to much and not peeling enough flops, or turns. You need to get a better handle on pot odds and when you need to peel. You are to fit-or-foldy it would seem, so that's an easy fix.
how much Agg% is optimal on flop, turn, river? 40-50?[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure street by street, but overall you want 45-55. and for it to trend downwards on each street, but as for exact numbers i would have to look at my DBs when i get time.
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10-29-2010 , 02:14 PM
scelsi: .05/.1 4k hands is pretty small sample size,

Might a vpip 33.55/19.86 might be a to many cold calls or limps can really tell. CC should be 1% .. limp would be like never. You may need to overcall at this limit so that could push up vpip. 3bet looks good/more hands will improve positional stats and that is more important than overall stats. Fold BB to steal is a bit to high 50% should be closer to 40% but that can be the limit also. Not a lot of steals I would guess so when you get a steal it might be more like a HJ raise range wise.

Finally perhaps (need more hands). WTSD is to low, since w$sd is 54 you might be able to get the wtsd to 38 or 39 and w$sd will drop a little but make more monies?
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10-29-2010 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by dmyers1166
scelsi: .05/.1 4k hands is pretty small sample size,

Might a vpip 33.55/19.86 might be a to many cold calls or limps can really tell. CC should be 1% .. limp would be like never. You may need to overcall at this limit so that could push up vpip. 3bet looks good/more hands will improve positional stats and that is more important than overall stats. Fold BB to steal is a bit to high 50% should be closer to 40% but that can be the limit also. Not a lot of steals I would guess so when you get a steal it might be more like a HJ raise range wise.

Finally perhaps (need more hands). WTSD is to low, since w$sd is 54 you might be able to get the wtsd to 38 or 39 and w$sd will drop a little but make more monies?
Thanks for the reply - will get more volume in and return with some hopefully improved stats in the direction you've mentioned.
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10-31-2010 , 12:31 AM
Some of you full-ring grinder types, what is your fold to flop and turn c-bet %'s? Also, what are you flop and turn c-bet percentages? Thanks.
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10-31-2010 , 12:40 AM
ALso, should our donk percentages be pretty close to zero? my flop donk percentage seems really high..... I might have found a leak i have.

A few other things i was looking for, would be BB/100 made on flush draws you have on the flop, and also straight draws... I am trying to really break down my stuff hardcore, but need some good baselines for stuff.

Last edited by A_Schupick; 10-31-2010 at 12:44 AM. Reason: more.
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11-01-2010 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by A_Schupick
Some of you full-ring grinder types, what is your fold to flop and turn c-bet %'s? Also, what are you flop and turn c-bet percentages? Thanks.
I didn't ever look at what mine were, but what I looked for in villains was fold to flop c-bet > 35 or 40%. Probably the same or higher on turn (interplay between the flop and turn folds was the most relevant, IMO). High fold to flop c-bet and low fold to turn c-bet? Don't double-barrel light. Low fold to flop c-bet and high fold to turn c-bet? Fire it a lot.

As for c-bets, I think flop should be 95%+ unless you play in a very limpy game where there are going to be multi-way flops a lot. Then it might drop into the upper 80's/lower 90's (since you should c-bet less when it's 4+ to the flop). Turn c-bets should be in the 65-75% range, IMO (same game type caveat as the flop).

These are somewhat dependent on how LAGgy/tight you are PF and whether or not your opponents know and adjust to how LAGgy/tight you are.
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11-01-2010 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by A_Schupick
ALso, should our donk percentages be pretty close to zero?
Pretty much. There's really only three times you should be donking (that I can think of off the top of my head).

1) You have a good hand (probably one that's disguised) and want to bet/3! against Villain's likely good hand.

2) The pot is multiway and you think the PFR might not c-bet.

3) You have a good drawing hand or good made hand and there are multiple opponents between you and the PFR (I.e. you're in SB, there were some 3 limpers and PFR is the BTN).
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11-02-2010 , 12:45 AM
12k hands at 1/2 FR exclusively. anything stand out to anyone? Also, what are normal numbers to be losing out of the sb and bb? I can't figure why my turn aggression is higher than my flop aggression. I do have a tendency to call if raised with the intention to c/r turn on occasion. Perhaps too often?



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11-02-2010 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by CjBurden
12k hands at 1/2 FR exclusively. anything stand out to anyone? Also, what are normal numbers to be losing out of the sb and bb? I can't figure why my turn aggression is higher than my flop aggression. I do have a tendency to call if raised with the intention to c/r turn on occasion. Perhaps too often?



Things that really jump out at me:

PFR way to low, should be more around 15, which will be easier when you CC less, your percentage is at 7.5 should be at like 2 max, closer to 1 is optimal.

Steal way more from the button and CO, your percentages are way below on that. (35/45/55) steal percentages from CO/BTN/SB, this will help you raise that percentage, and drop your ration of VP/PFR

Losing from the blinds seems to be accepted at 24BB/100 and 12BB/100 BB/SB, ldo.

Raise more post-flop. You are calling way to much. Your agg% is like 41, shoud be at least 48 if not closer to 53.

3! more, something like 8-10%.

C-bet more, should be closer to 95+ (see leroy above.)
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11-02-2010 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy
I didn't ever look at what mine were, but what I looked for in villains was fold to flop c-bet > 35 or 40%. Probably the same or higher on turn (interplay between the flop and turn folds was the most relevant, IMO). High fold to flop c-bet and low fold to turn c-bet? Don't double-barrel light. Low fold to flop c-bet and high fold to turn c-bet? Fire it a lot.

As for c-bets, I think flop should be 95%+ unless you play in a very limpy game where there are going to be multi-way flops a lot. Then it might drop into the upper 80's/lower 90's (since you should c-bet less when it's 4+ to the flop). Turn c-bets should be in the 65-75% range, IMO (same game type caveat as the flop).

These are somewhat dependent on how LAGgy/tight you are PF and whether or not your opponents know and adjust to how LAGgy/tight you are.
Thanks, could you look at your fold to flop Cbet percentage, that one interests me a lot.
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11-02-2010 , 09:20 AM


Any pointers would be appreciated.
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11-02-2010 , 09:38 AM
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Any pointers would be appreciated.
okay.... so to me, your stats look like a spew monkey's stats post. That's a really high AFq and AF.... I mean, if it's working, then awesome, but dang.... I will be curious to see if you can keep that going.

Game selection FTL for you. Why are you spreading over so many steaks? you need to fix some leaks before you go trying to change what game you are playing that often.

Your VP$P and PFR are to low, shoot more for 20/15

Fold BB to steal is way to high, shoot more for like 35%

I want to see some positional stats so i know what you are doing for steals and stuff like that.

Your WTSD is proly a little on the low side, i would suggest more Ahi calldwons in appropriate spots.
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11-02-2010 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by A_Schupick
I want to see some positional stats so i know what you are doing for steals and stuff like that.
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