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08-16-2010 , 02:31 AM
Jungcabar,

You should steal more, especially from sb. Open up your stealing range here some and see what happens.
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08-16-2010 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by A_Schupick
Also, fold SB to steal was at 73%
I think this may be a problem.

If you seat select well (and you should at 0.5/1), BTN steals are more Value raises (top 25%) and less "steals" (Top 40%+).

Your MP2 vpip/pfr stats are weird, if the were consistent with MP1 and MP3 you'd be ~21/18 vpip/pfr respectable Lagtag territory.

I recommend:

1) Seat select better
2) Fold SB to steal should be more like 85% IMO
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08-19-2010 , 01:37 AM
I might end up cross-posting this in SSSH because there aren't a ton of 6-max players here, but I figured I'd try here first.

Quick check-up, I guess? Any stats I didn't include that I should add in?



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08-19-2010 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBJames
I might end up cross-posting this in SSSH because there aren't a ton of 6-max players here, but I figured I'd try here first.

Quick check-up, I guess? Any stats I didn't include that I should add in?



You should probably win more @ SD of course (I just noticed you joked about it also)



...but on a serious note.

You seem to really plummet when it comes to river aggression. I am not saying its good/bad but it seems you tend to give up a lot once they do not fold by then. Maybe bet a little more once you range an opponent and they missed their draws etc.

Your turn Cbet seems a little high, I run closer to 75 though I have no clue if its a desirable # to be honest but getting free cards there in position might be something you want to think about. My rive Cbet is closer to a 70 as compared to your 61.

Basically I think you tend to "give up" when it comes to the river when in many cases thats when villains will fold as they can no longer improve.

You seem to be bleeding money from the BB but I would need to see your BB/Hand to get a better gauge to be honest though I run @ 18.84 when it comes to BB/100 which comes down to .19 BB/Hand which is a tad high to me... Id like to be closer to .14-.16. you do seem to be running well @ SB though as .06-.08 is a good range for BB/100. So all in all I don't think its that bad but it could be "tightened" up

Steal %s look good, I wish I stole that much FWIW

Whats your CCPf BTW?

I think your VPip @ 30 would be a little better buts that just me being a nit.

....I would love to session review with you as you play a game that would be much more inline with what I want to achieve and seeing your line of thinking would be something that would improve me greatly (I am so selfish) and also I think I could help you maaaaybe pick some spots better
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08-19-2010 , 08:35 AM
can anyone tell me how to take a pic of your stats in pt3? I seem to only be able to 'export' it in excel format. thanks for the help.

also - another stupid stat question - for FR nano stakes - like <10c/20c what should utg - mp stats be - is 14/14/4.38 too loose? ty alll

in my year and a half since being on this forum at 1000k posts this is my first post in the stat thread.

Last edited by nonsimplesimon; 08-19-2010 at 08:40 AM.
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08-19-2010 , 09:11 AM
Print Screen -> MSPaint -> Crop as necessary -> Photobucket
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08-19-2010 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy
Print Screen -> MSPaint -> Crop as necessary -> Photobucket
where is the print screen?

is that in pt3? I didn't see a print option in pt3.

is the ms paint - is that the default "paint utility" in the prog accesseories folder?

so do I export the stats first? then print them? I'm really a tech dumby thanks
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08-19-2010 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon
where is the print screen?

It's on your keyboard. Upper right part (unless you're on a Mac, I guess).

is that in pt3? I didn't see a print option in pt3.

is the ms paint - is that the default "paint utility" in the prog accesseories folder?

Yes.

so do I export the stats first? then print them? I'm really a tech dumby thanks

Pull the Tab you want to show (position stats as well as general stats and anything else). Hit the Print Screen button on your keyboard. Open MSPaint. Paste. What showed on your screen when you hit the Print Screen button is now in MSPaint. Crop out the background stuff (the top right button in the MSPaint toolbar on the lefthand side). Save as .jpg file. Upload to photobucket. Copy link (what's in the [IMG] tags) into your post.
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08-19-2010 , 11:15 AM
Thanks for your input, GG.

Since I table select pretty well and play a lot of hands against fish (well, hopefully), a lot of my postflop lines with UI cards goes: bet flop -> bet turn -> check behind or c/c river, which might explain both the slightly high turn c-betting and the slightly low (?) river c-betting. I've actually never looked into my river c-betting a ton, mostly because I don't find myself in a ton of spots where I think I can profitably triple barrel, but I'll keep some spots in mind in the future.

Perhaps it can be a result of playing more hands? I'm not sure.

The turn c-bet percentage is definitely a spot that I've debated recently. I think 75% is too low, but you're probably correct that 85% is too high. There are some winning players I know who are around 85% (slimfast, one SSSH 2+2er), and I don't know if it's a function of A) playing against fish or the simpler B) betting too much. It's worth noting that it might also be because I don't value check a ton -- I think it's super obvious against thinking players.

Like, let's say I have AJ on the BTN and raise, and the BB calls. The flop is 9h4h9d and he checks, I bet, he calls, and the turn is... I dunno, anything? I don't like value checking any card unless I know the guy is inducable on the river, and I believe I would bet/fold or bet/call against a high majority of people.

I'm clueless about what good BB/100 stats are from the blinds. Either way, I think I need more than ~2000 hands to start heavily analyzing that kind of stuff.

It looks like my CC percentages are very low. It depends on the position, but it looks like N/A -> 0.0% -> 0.3% -> 0.6% -> 0.7% going from UTG to the SB. It says it's 46.1% from the BB, but... yeah. I think that one's calculated weird.

And, lol, I'm actually still experimenting with loosening up some from the blinds and late position.

I'd also be cool with doing a mini session review if you'd like.
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08-19-2010 , 11:19 AM
Oh, and nonsimplesimon, if you have Windows 7, just use the snipping tool. You select the area of your screenshot, save it to your desktop, and then just use something like Tinypic / Imageshack / etc. to put it on the Internet.
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08-19-2010 , 02:06 PM
So apparently when I drink I think I know about poker

If you ever want to do a mini review I am in, picking the mind of solid players via reviews is something I am alllll for.
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08-20-2010 , 10:48 AM
Hey guys THANKS sooo much for this!
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08-21-2010 , 04:39 AM
So I've been treading water for well over 100k hands at 1/2 and I'm wondering if as I've loosened up preflop, I haven't adapted properly postflop; in fact chances are this is almost certainly the case. My win rate over 200k+ hands is about 0.35BB/100, so I'm barely beating the game at all at the moment. I seem to run well at 0.5/1 but my sample is really tiny to know much about my proper win rate in those games.

Areas I feel I am weak are getting full value on turn and river with top pair type hands when faced with donks or raises, not showing down enough in HU steal situations and probably a bit tight in BB in general. Anyway here's my stats since I started playing:

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08-21-2010 , 06:36 AM
I tried to read your stats Tosh but they are so tiny, maybe separate the 2 sets of stats so when viewed they are bigger...

plus position stats >>> these
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08-21-2010 , 06:55 AM
These should be a little better but I'm struggling to get it any bigger for some reason.


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08-21-2010 , 05:42 PM
Flop fold to c-bet seems a touch high, but that's anecdotal (I have no clue what mine is, but I consider that high for the people I play against). FBBtS, but you already know that.

+1 Position stats needed
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08-21-2010 , 05:55 PM
Position stats for last 2 months:

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08-21-2010 , 06:54 PM
How long does 3bet% take to converge? A while ago I posted these stats:




And I figured I'd make an effort to 3bet more. Here's the last 10k hands:




Also, what is a good default 3bet range? I know it depends, ldo, but what's a general range for EP, MP, LP?
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08-29-2010 , 07:26 PM


These are stats since I started playing again ~March.
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08-29-2010 , 07:40 PM
Damn, 21/16 is super super nitty for 6-max. Loosen up. There are charts that will help you get to at least 26/18, which should work out better. I'd imagine you're passing up on a lot of value.

I mean, I know a lot of people who play 33/25ish (me, dragon, gib, lots of people in the SSSH forum), and imo while it's definitely not something you should jump into since you can bleed money in unfamiliar postflop situations, 21/16 is still waaaay too tight.

Everything else (the non-VPIP/PFR-related stuff) looks okay to me. I dunno what stakes you play at because you want to hide it, but 36 WTSD can either be completely fine or too low depending on your opposition.

edit: Actually, for 21/16, 48% AFq seems kinda passive too.

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08-29-2010 , 07:46 PM
hmm, your preflop stats doesn't make sense at all to me. I think any TAG starting hand chart will get you to 25/18.

IMO if this is around 0.25/.5 you should probably just get yourself into pots with people whenever you can do so in position.
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08-29-2010 , 08:04 PM
weird. meh I don't feel that nitty. I followed a hand chart long ago, but it's been awhile. I'm not keen on limping in MP with T9s. I feel like my stealing is probably OK, but are you iso'ing with A4o people who limp UTG? I think I've been raising 55 UTG lately. I will also raise suited broadway from any position.
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08-29-2010 , 08:12 PM
Buzz, those stats are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too nitty for 6 max. Let me put it this way. I have VPIP and PFR basically identical to you. Full ring. 24 tabling. Loosen up a ****ton.
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08-29-2010 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Buzz-cp
weird. meh I don't feel that nitty. I followed a hand chart long ago, but it's been awhile. I'm not keen on limping in MP with T9s. I feel like my stealing is probably OK, but are you iso'ing with A4o people who limp UTG? I think I've been raising 55 UTG lately. I will also raise suited broadway from any position.
I raise.
Depends on the the opponent and my position. If he's super bad, I'll iso from the BTN and maybe the CO (if the blinds are tight). If he's a TAGfish, it becomes closer.
I do too. Sometimes 44 too.
Same.

Have you taken a look at Leader's chart yet? It's what I used to get to 26/18, and I keep recommending it because it was very useful for me.
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08-29-2010 , 09:46 PM
Yes I just found leaders chart(s). Looks very nice, but they could be condensed a bit for handy reading whilst at the table.

Thanks.
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