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08-14-2010 , 06:10 PM
I don't know FR stats at all, but I would scale back the CO/BTN stealing a little bit, especially in a high-rake environment like .5/1.

And while not stat-related, if you're trying to play 12+ tables of .5/1 when you've only recently moved up, you are probably going to lose.
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08-14-2010 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBJames
And while not stat-related, if you're trying to play 12+ tables of .5/1 when you've only recently moved up, you are probably going to lose.

I disagree. If he was 12 tabling 25c-50c before, then I think he should 12 table when he moves up. Maybe a little less will be fine. I just don't see a point in 1 tabling if you are a 12 tabler. Results will be skewed due to boredom, etc.

Though I do see your point though. Just not my cup of tea.
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08-14-2010 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by A_Schupick
*sigh* I was hoping you where good at it, or someone was. I can't find out how I am doing so badly at it. I have lost some nasty coolers BTN v. BB and SB v. BB, but still I have to have some major leak that is even worse than that.
Oh dont lose hope buddy, I am sure there are tons of people on here that can help. Maybe do a Blind specific session review.

My stats are generally ok for blinds but I dont think I could articulate how I play them.
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08-15-2010 , 04:24 AM
I know that you will get the proper price to call from the BB or SB a lot in a FR limit game, however, i dont think that always means you should take it. You will constantly find yourself in very marginal spots that will end up costing you way more in the long run. I think i play my BB and SB pretty tightly and i am losing in those two positions like most everyone else.

time after time i see someone call an extra bet from the BB and flop bottom two, or a silly straight draw, or top pair and in the end they lose way more than they win. Its just so -EV in my opinion to defend wide or call just because you are priced in. if your hand is trash, then its trash. that extra bet could cost you an extra 4-5 bets by the end of the hand. just my opinion.
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08-15-2010 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by A_Schupick
Well, the moving up hasn't been quite a smooth as I wanted, but I'm not losing hope. I think I am being a little too loose from EP, and need to work on that, All other critiques are welcome and encouraged:


I think you're just a taaaaaaaaad too loose from EP. I would take out a hand or two, but nothing major.

You're VPIP and PFR from the sb are waaaaaaaaaaaaay too close. That tells me you are either raising or folding. Normally not a bad thing from other positions, but seems like you are folding a lot of playable junk from the sb. You already put in half a small bet. So you are getting double the odds to play as you would from other positions. Start completing more. Junk like 93s becomes playable when there are two limpers b/c you are getting 7-1 odds to play. Also, post your "fold small blind to steal" stat. You may be 3! too much vs an ATS.

You seem to be defending enough in the big blind. So it's possible you are folding too much from EP and MP raises. It's ok to call an UTG raise when holding some speculative hands. Again, just like w/completing from the sb, you'll be getting double the odds.

I also notice that your VPIP and PFR from late position are very close. It's ok to overlimp. You don't always have to raise or fold. Small sample, but it seems you aren't overlimping w/hands like 67s. You are either folding them (very bad), or raising them (not so bad). And it's occasionally ok to CCPF. A raise and two callers and you have 44............call.

You're ATS numbers look good though.

Overall, it looks like you are leaking from the blinds. I don't know what optimal numbers are. I'm at -.24bb/hand from the BB and -.13bb/100 from the SB. For all I know, I could be leaking from the blinds. But if you had those numbers from the blinds, you would be winning $98.64 more from the BB and $112.05 more from the SB. You'd be up $146.14 in 10,962 hands for a winrate of 1.33bb/100.

Conclusion: Work on your play from the blinds.
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08-15-2010 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by normalcy
how do you get HEM to distinguish ep1, ep2, mp1, mp2 etc..? mine just gives me EP, MP, CO, BTN, SB, BB.
sorry, missed this, change the view from 'position' to 'position FR'
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08-15-2010 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by prfsr_cain
I think you're just a taaaaaaaaad too loose from EP. I would take out a hand or two, but nothing major.

You're VPIP and PFR from the sb are waaaaaaaaaaaaay too close. That tells me you are either raising or folding. Normally not a bad thing from other positions, but seems like you are folding a lot of playable junk from the sb. You already put in half a small bet. So you are getting double the odds to play as you would from other positions. Start completing more. Junk like 93s becomes playable when there are two limpers b/c you are getting 7-1 odds to play. Also, post your "fold small blind to steal" stat. You may be 3! too much vs an ATS.

You seem to be defending enough in the big blind. So it's possible you are folding too much from EP and MP raises. It's ok to call an UTG raise when holding some speculative hands. Again, just like w/completing from the sb, you'll be getting double the odds.

I also notice that your VPIP and PFR from late position are very close. It's ok to overlimp. You don't always have to raise or fold. Small sample, but it seems you aren't overlimping w/hands like 67s. You are either folding them (very bad), or raising them (not so bad). And it's occasionally ok to CCPF. A raise and two callers and you have 44............call.

You're ATS numbers look good though.

Overall, it looks like you are leaking from the blinds. I don't know what optimal numbers are. I'm at -.24bb/hand from the BB and -.13bb/100 from the SB. For all I know, I could be leaking from the blinds. But if you had those numbers from the blinds, you would be winning $98.64 more from the BB and $112.05 more from the SB. You'd be up $146.14 in 10,962 hands for a winrate of 1.33bb/100.

Conclusion: Work on your play from the blinds.
Thanks for looking at all that. I am moving down for the next 20k-40k hands and then will try again. When i move down I am going to focus extensively on my blind play, because as you really articulated with those numbers, that is killing me,a nd I need to do something to make that a ton better.

When you say calling a raise from EP or MP in the BB, what kind of speculative are you looking at? I assume like 56s, etc, but I want to make sure.
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08-15-2010 , 02:29 PM
Also, fold SB to steal was at 73%
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08-15-2010 , 03:22 PM
hey guys, what do you think? I dont have excel on my computer so it wont' let me upload the position details. so this is the best i can do

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08-15-2010 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jungcabar
hey guys, what do you think? I dont have excel on my computer so it wont' let me upload the position details. so this is the best i can do

Just hit "print screen" key on your keyboard and then load it onto paint and then put it in photobucket. I can't read that, sorry.
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08-15-2010 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Jungcabar
hey guys, what do you think? I dont have excel on my computer so it wont' let me upload the position details. so this is the best i can do

Thought, as I look over this I can see a few things:

You fold the BB to steal WAAAYYYYY to much, should be at least 50 or lower, not 73.

You don't raise enough: you are running 17/9.... try to knock it up to 17/13. (Can tell you better what to do when i see some stats in position, of course.)

Perhaps try to steal a bit more.... something like 35% would be better.

You need to get that aggression up. It's a fair bit low. Try betting or folding more on different streets.
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08-15-2010 , 04:05 PM
its super large when i see it on the thread. im not sure your method will work because the whole thing doesnt show up. there will be more to scroll down to and taking a screen pic will just show what is showing.
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08-15-2010 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Jungcabar
its super large when i see it on the thread. im not sure your method will work because the whole thing doesnt show up. there will be more to scroll down to and taking a screen pic will just show what is showing.
Even when you expand it clear across the screen? How small of a screen do you have?
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08-15-2010 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by A_Schupick
When you say calling a raise from EP or MP in the BB, what kind of speculative are you looking at? I assume like 56s, etc, but I want to make sure.

Whatever you are comfortable with. I def call w/that. Even if it's just me vs UTG open. You are getting 3.5-1 to call. So you need at least 22% equity. Play around w/stove and different opening ranges. You'll find a lot of hands are playable. Just be careful though b/c you will be out of position vs a strong hand. So just b/c you have immediate odds to call doesn't mean it's playable. And avoid hands easily dominated like A4o.


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Originally Posted by A_Schupick
Also, fold SB to steal was at 73%

That may be a tad high. If it works for you, stick w/it. Filter to all hands vs ATS where you 3! from the sb and see how (un)profitable you are.
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08-15-2010 , 04:14 PM
i have a 20' screen. it cuts off the bottom portion
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08-15-2010 , 04:15 PM
Jungcabar:

Def need to see position stats. The fact that your fBBts and fSBts are so similar makes me cringe a little. SB is ok. Maybe. But you need to defend waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more from the BB. Work on getting fBBts to at most 55. Play w/stove to see which hands to add.

Steal more. Way more. Need position stats to see where you should increase.

As stated, your pfr and vpip gap is too big. It tells me you are limping too much when you should be raising and/or you are ccpf too much. Either way, not good.
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08-15-2010 , 04:26 PM
i did the print screen thing to get this. let me know if it is too hard to see


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08-15-2010 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jungcabar
i have a 20' screen. it cuts off the bottom portion
It's cool, we can still critique as long as you have all the stats that we need. We just look at each position indv. anyway, so we don't need totals at the bottom.
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08-15-2010 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by prfsr_cain
You are getting 3.5-1 to call. So you need at least 22% equity.

Edit:

It's 3.25-1 to call. So you need at least 25% equity.
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08-15-2010 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jungcabar
i did the print screen thing to get this. let me know if it is too hard to see


Okay, this is a start, go to my post on the previous page and add all the stuff I have in there. (and also fold SB to steal) and then repost. As for this, your CCPF should be under 2% total, and you are way above that, 3! or fold more. Also, you need ot be raising more on the button.
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08-15-2010 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Jungcabar
i did the print screen thing to get this. let me know if it is too hard to see



You open limp waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much. And cold call waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much. Rarely anymore is it ok to open limp. Raise or fold. You are playing too many hands from EP and not enough hands from LP.

Configure your stats to show ATS. Would like to know them.

Also, don't post from outside the BB. Just wait. Unless you are a winning player, never do it. Even then, only from the CO.
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08-15-2010 , 04:37 PM
ok so i need to be raising or folding more. does this also mean i need to be tightening up my hands to fit into this mold or just start rasing with more of my limping hands?
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08-15-2010 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by prfsr_cain
You open limp waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much. And cold call waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much. Rarely anymore is it ok to open limp. Raise or fold. You are playing too many hands from EP and not enough hands from LP.

Configure your stats to show ATS. Would like to know them.

Also, don't post from outside the BB. Just wait. Unless you are a winning player, never do it. Even then, only from the CO.
if it happens its by accident. when i sit out to go do something and come back it is always on auto post and i dont catch it quick enough
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08-15-2010 , 04:43 PM
what is ATS?
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08-15-2010 , 04:54 PM
ok here it is with ATS

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